Monday, April 30, 2012
Joel Osteen’s “All Things to All People” Attitude Makes Him A Complete Phony
Says Mormonism Is “Not Traditional Orthodox Christianity” As If It’s Just a Little Different Than Christianity
by Larry Simons
April 30, 2012
Televangelist Joel Osteen, minister of Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, and his wife Victoria were guests on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace. Wallace asks Osteen, “Is being gay a sin?”. Osteen replied:
“I believe that the scripture says that being gay is a sin. You know, every time I say that, Chris, I get people saying, 'You're a gay hater and you're a gay basher.' I'm not. I don't dislike anybody. Gays are some of the nicest, kindest, most loving people in the world. But my faith is based on what I believe the scripture says, and that's the way I read the scripture.”
I would have asked Osteen, “If being gay is a sin, why did a perfect God create man with such an imperfect element like the desire to be sexually attracted to members of their own sex?”
I’m almost positive Osteen would have danced around that question, resulting in never giving an answer.
If Osteen would have answered and said, “Well, man has free will”, I would have fired back that there is evidence in the Bible that man does not have free will.
The biggest example of that is in Exodus 8-10 where God hardened Pharaoh’s heart so Pharaoh would not release the Israelites from slavery, whereas God gleefully [through his loving nature] casts ten horrible plagues onto the people of Egypt, showcasing that God is neither all-just [in that he punished all of Egypt for the actions of one man, in whom whose heart God controlled...remember, the heart that God hardened?], nor is he all-knowing [in that God did not possess the future knowledge that Pharaoh would not be persuaded to release the Israelites until the tenth plague...the killing of all first born male babies...another example of God not being all-just].
Again, Osteen would have been speechless. One main reason Osteen may have not answered these questions might be because of the fact that Osteen neither possesses a degree, nor does he have any higher level of religious training than two years of college. He never even went to seminary. These facts alone, I have no doubt, explain the next portion of dialogue between Osteen and Wallace.
Wallace then asks, “Are Mormons, like Mitt Romney, true Christians?”
“I believe they're followers of Christ. I don't believe that Mormonism is traditional orthodox Christianity. I realize there's differences there, but I go back to when I hear Mitt Romney and some of my Mormon friends say, 'I love Jesus. He's my savior. I believe he was raised from the dead. They follow the teachings of the Bible. I believe they are followers of Christ and that they're my brothers. And I'm not looking to exclude them and, you know, push them out.”
They follow the Bible? Really Joel? Is that why Mormons believe that black people are cursed? Is that why Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are spirit brothers? Is that why they believe that Jesus actually came to the Americas after his resurrection? Is that why Mormons believe they can be baptized for dead people? Brigham Young, Mormonism’s second leader, rejected the Bible’s teaching that Jesus’ blood covers ALL sins. That is taken from Young’s own writings.
Why do I [the agnostic] know more about this shit than Osteen does?
Most Christians call Mormonism a cult and reject it completely. What I find quite striking is the fact that so many Mormon doctrines have changed throughout the years. This begs the question: How can there be so many changes in doctrines and teachings if there is supposed to be no change in God? Why would even one doctrine change if God is unchanging? Yet, Osteen wants us to believe that Mormonism is essentially Christian.
The Mormon Church at some point over the years taught the practice of polygamy. It taught that God was a man. They taught that God and Adam are the same being. They believed that black people are cursed and are from Cain’s seed. I could go on and on. Osteen believes this is the same as Christianity? Holy shitballs.
I will admit that both religions share one common bond other than both have heard the name Jesus Christ. Both are religions that are steeped in plagiarism. The Mormons copied the Bible, and the Bible copied many sources like The Egyptian book of the Dead and is rooted in Astrology.
Like many religious loons on TV and in society, Joel Osteen is a complete fraud. Not only for his assertion that Christianity and Mormonism have few differences, but because Osteen has no formal training, which is why he always has this “all things to all people” attitude when he is being interviewed.
He said almost the same thing about homosexuality to Piers Morgan in January 2011. Osteen said:
“Yes, I've always believed, Piers, the scriptures show that homosexuality is a sin. But I'm not one of those who is out there to bash homosexuals and tell them that they're terrible people and all of that. I mean, there are other sins in the Bible, too. And I think sometimes the church—and I don't mean this critically—but we focus on one issue or two issues, and there's plenty of other ones. So I don't believe that homosexuality is God's best for a person's life—sin means to miss the mark.”
Yeah, let’s not step on anyone’s feet Joel. I mean, according to scripture, God reduced two cities [Sodom and Gomorrah] to dust over the practice of homosexuality, but you’re right….it’s no big whoop to God. Back then, he really got pissed at gay people and would level cities because of it. Now, God is different. Homosexuality to God now is no worse than spitting on the sidewalk.
Oh, wait. I thought God doesn’t change? Why isn’t God leveling cities now? I will tell you why. Because the Bible is no more a reality than Humpty Dumpty and Jack and the Beanstalk. In fact, I find that very ironic. Why don’t Christians believe that Jack in the Beanstalk is a real event? It is just as absurd as a talking snake, a man inside a big fish for three days or a 500 year old man building a Titanic-sized boat without nails and a hammer. Yet some fables are believed and some are not.
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