Wednesday, April 6, 2011

Jesse Ventura Despises Government Secrecy, But Still Won’t Disclose His Top Secret Navy SEAL Missions


Ventura tells Piers Morgan disclosing top secret information is OK after the covert operation is long past, but 40 years later still will not talk about his Navy SEAL days

by Larry Simons
April 6, 2011

For the record, let me say that I like Jesse Ventura. I love his outspoken nature and his fearless pursuit of the truth, but sometimes he says things that are just plain bizarre and contradictory. A few examples of these contradictory and just outright false statements are:

1. When he said Al Gore had been an “inspiration” in the fight against global warming at the end of his global warming episode of "Conspiracy Theory". The entire episode was about how global warming is a massive hoax and even during the episode stated that Al Gore was possibly behind the hoax as a way to make millions from it. That did not deter Ventura from stating that Gore was his “inspiration” in the global warming fight.

2. When he said, “Let’s start by getting some honesty into our school textbooks about the conspiracy that resulted in the assassination of our greatest president” at the end of his chapter about the assassination of Abraham Lincoln in his book "American Conspiracies". Calling Lincoln “our greatest president” is one clear indication that Ventura has done practically zero research of the actual presidency of Lincoln. If he had, he would easily come to the conclusion that Abraham Lincoln just might be the worst president that has ever lived because of his complete dismantling of the Constitution, his contempt for states rights, state sovereignty and personal freedom.

Lincoln was responsible for the deaths of over a half million American citizens. Roughly 300,000 of them [southerners] had fought get America to resemble the very same America the founding fathers established 85 years prior to their secession to form a new government, a right granted to them by our founders.

Last night, Ventura was a guest on Piers Morgan Tonight for the entire hour. About seven minutes into the interview, Ventura said something very interesting in response to a question asked by Morgan about Ventura’s military service.

Morgan asks: “When you served in Vietnam, you didn’t [unintelligible] actually have live combat, that right..you were serving, is that correct?”

Ventura replies: “I don’t talk...when I got back…I’m a Navy SEAL. When I got back from my service overseas of my first deployment, the My Lai Massacre had just happened or was just in the headlines. I was brought in by my commanding officer, my entire team, and we were ordered we were to discuss nothing of anything we did or any ops we were on, because normally the SEALS are all part of a top secret operation. So I do not discuss anything I did in the military other than to say I served honorably and received an honorable discharge, and I showed up, which is more than what George Bush can say.”

Later, roughly 22 minutes into the interview, Morgan and Ventura begin talking about Wikileaks. Morgan asks Ventura if he thinks anyone had the right to release the stolen information and post it on Wikileaks. Ventura correctly tells Morgan that the American citizens have the right as taxpayers to know about secretive information. Morgan then reverts back to the beginning of the interview where Ventura made his statement [above] concerning his military service with the SEALS being top secret.

Morgan asks Ventura if he would have been happy if every document and private memo concerning the SEALS would have been released to the public. Ventura says “no” and insists there is a difference. Ventura states the difference between leaked SEALS documents and the documents posted on Wikileaks is that the SEALS missions could have been jeopardized if info were leaked. Ventura then says, "Once the mission’s over, you’re not jeopardizing it.” Yet, in his statement above, Ventura still refuses to discuss what he did in his SEALS days, and those missions ended how long ago? At least 40 years?

Morgan appeared to have Ventura’s balls in a sling. Morgan flat out asks Ventura roughly a minute later if he believed that a number of private reports should have stayed private when he was a SEAL, and Morgan stated that Ventura said “yes”, then Ventura interrupts and says, "Only until after the op’s over. When the op’s over, you can go public with all that you want.”

Morgan then says, “Really? You think it’s good for the world to know exactly how Navy SEALS conduct their covert operations, do you, around the world?”

Ventura’s response, “They already know”.

How do we “already” know Jesse? You won’t tell us! It’s a big secret that you “don’t discuss”……still, after 40 years. Ventura committed the very act of secrecy that he condemns in others. I agree with Ventura that there should be next to no secrecy [with the exception being if our country was in immediate imminent danger if information were leaked] in government, but Ventura’s hypocrisy of condemning government agencies for being secretive and then turning right around and being equally secretive about events that happened 40 years ago in his Navy SEAL days is nothing short of unbelievable.

As much as I like Ventura, I have to admit, Piers wins this one.

watch the video here [but YouTube will pull it soon, naturally]

2 comments:

the_last_name_left said...

"Ventura has done practically zero research of the actual presidency of Lincoln. If he had, he would easily come to the conclusion that Abraham Lincoln just might be the worst president that has ever lived because of his complete dismantling of the Constitution, his contempt for states rights, state sovereignty and personal freedom."

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Having looked into this issue from the perspective of an ignorant alien, I don't see how you can say anyone can *easily* come to the conclusions you do about it.

It's a complicated story.

You know there are plenty of very smart cookies who disagree with you, Larry? You know there are whole books about the issues?

It is perfectly understandable imo for people to hold opposing views about the subject. You just dismiss anyone whom disagrees, insisting it is a simple matter and that people could only disagree if they were stupid and/or were liars.

You do that a lot. You don't seem to allow it that people can *legitimately* hold a different opinion to your own.

Over Lincoln, for example, it is your opinion that is heterodox - educated opinion surely tends to hold the opposing view. Yet you claim that such a view should be easily dismissed by the most cursory look at the facts.

That's really bizarre behaviour on your part when you are attacking the orthodoxy.

It leaves you having to explain how something can become orthodox when it is (according to you) self-evident baloney.

The fact is, the arguments about Lincoln are not simple, not self-evident, not obvious. Why pretend they are?

Real Truth Online said...

"You know there are plenty of very smart cookies who disagree with you, Larry? You know there are whole books about the issues?"

Yeah, these are the same people who view the role of government and America as Lincoln did [and Alexander Hamilton]---that the Federal Govt is king and states rights dont exist, and that secession is treason. These people also say that the Federal Govt was created FIRST, then the states---also a lie.

"It is perfectly understandable imo for people to hold opposing views about the subject."

Actually it's not. A President either obeys the Constitution or he doesn't. Lincoln clearly did not. I have debated this with you before and showed proof Lincoln ignored the Constitution, and of course, you ignored ME when I did!

"You just dismiss anyone whom disagrees, insisting it is a simple matter and that people could only disagree if they were stupid and/or were liars."

False again. I dismiss them when they are clearly wrong and insist the war was about slavery. It was not. It was about raising the southern tariffs by nearly 200%. I have even provided quotes by LINCOLN HIMSELF when we debated nd you simply ignore it. Want me to provide Lincoln's OWN WORDS again for you? Ahhh, I bet you don't. But you claim I just "dismiss" people when I don't agree with them. Funny.

"You do that a lot. You don't seem to allow it that people can *legitimately* hold a different opinion to your own."

It's not "legitimate" to hold a different opinion when the things I talk about are not subject to opinion. It's not subject to opinion that Lincoln shut down over 300 NORTHERN newspapers during his presidency because the papers were printing that Lincoln was wrong and that the south had the right to secede. The fact that Lincoln shut down newspapers and imprisoned editors are FACTS, not opinions----but you dismiss THAT!

Funny how YOU do the very thing you accuse ME of! Hilarious. I say Lincoln shut down newspapers and imprisoned editors and YOU dismiss THAT [because you disagree].

"Over Lincoln, for example, it is your opinion that is heterodox - educated opinion surely tends to hold the opposing view"

The "educated" people who write about Lincoln know they can't print in their books "Lincoln shut down over 300 newspapers" because that would be outright lying, so what they do is simply OMIT it---and you call THAT "educated"?

I will give you an assignment TLNL----go find some of these books about Lincoln by these "educated" people, and read them, and tell me how many of them mention that Lincoln shut down 300 newspapers, imprisone editors, said on numerous occasions that he had no intention of interfering with southern slavery, fired his own officers for suggesting a way to end slavery without war, suspended habeas corpus, murdered civilians, ended states rights, wanted to ship all blacks out of the country to Liberia---I could go on and on. If you find these facts in their books, then I will call them educated. The above things are not OPINIONS....they happened, they are FACTS......FACTS your "educated" writers OMIT.

"The fact is, the arguments about Lincoln are not simple, not self-evident, not obvious. Why pretend they are?"

Really? He either did the things mentioned above or he did not. Are you saying he did not? I can use Lincoln's OWN words to prove your own comments wrong. Would you like some of Lincoln's own words? I'm asking---would you? Yes or no. Let me take a big wild guess and say you will IGNORE that question----in the EXACT SAME way your "educated" writers IGNORE facts about Lincoln.

Hmmmm.