Tuesday, January 11, 2011
Media Ignores Many Left Wing Beliefs, Ideologies and Influences of Shooter Jared Lee Loughner
Even people who knew him called him “liberal” and “left wing” on Twitter entries
by Larry Simons
January 11, 2011
First and foremost, let me begin this post by expressing my deepest, heart-felt sympathies to the families who lost loved ones and of those who were injured in Saturday’s mass shooting spree in Tucson, Arizona. At a political event outside of a supermarket on Saturday, a psychopathic nut opened fire and killed six people in an attempt to assassinate Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.
This post is not meant to, in any way, shape or form, exploit the injured and dead of Saturday’s shooting, but it is meant to make things perfectly clear about certain facts pertaining to Jared Lee Loughner, the deranged nut who is charged with these crimes.
Almost immediately since Saturday [even before they knew who the shooter was], the blogs and media, predictably, have been attempting to associate Loughner with Constitutionalists, conservatives, gun owners, libertarians and the Tea Party movement. In fact, practically the exact opposite is the case. We are learning that many of the ideologies and influences of Loughner are actually considered in the range from leftist to far left.
The NY Post mentioned that Giffords’ father, Spencer, was asked if his daughter had any enemies, in which he stated, “Yeah. The whole Tea Party”, despite the fact that [Congresswoman] Giffords was a strong supporter of the second amendment and tighter border security, two key issues that Tea Partiers also support.
Others like Arizona Democratic Rep. Raul Grijalva suggests that anger at the government will automatically translate to assassination of public officials. He says, “[When] you stoke these flames, and you go to public meetings and you scream at the elected officials, you threaten them – you make us expendable you make us part of the cannon fodder. For a while, you’ve been feeding this hatred, this division… you feed it, you encourage it…. Something’s going to happen. People are feeding this monster…. Some of the extreme right wing has made demonization of elected officials their priority..”
Perhaps no one has painted a more vivid picture of obliterating anti-government speech than Arizona Sheriff Clarence Dupnik when he said, “When you look at unbalanced people, how they are, uh, how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous.”
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In an interview with FOX News’ Megan Kelly, Dupnik was asked by Kelly if he had any reason to believe that Loughner was taking in information or was any way influenced by the vitriol and the rhetoric that he refers to [namely anti-government rhetoric], in which Dupnik responds:
“If your question is specific, I have to be specific and say I don’t have that information yet. The investigation is it it’s very initial phases. But my belief, and I’ve been watching what’s been going on in this country for the last 75 years and I’ve been a police officer for over 50 years. There’s no doubt in my mind when a number of people night and day try to inflame the public, that there’s going to be some consequences from doing that and I think it’s irresponsible to do that.”Kelly responds, “It sounds like you’re being very honest that that’s just your speculation and that’s not anything that’s fact based at this point.”
Dupnik says, “That’s my opinion, period.”
After Kelly asked him why he is not focused primarily on facts, Dupnik says:
“Well, I think it’s more than just a political spin. I’m not sure that it really has anything to do with politics. I grew up in a country that was totally different from the country that we have today. We didn’t have this kind of nonsense going on, and it used to be that politicians from different parties could sit down, forget about their ideology and work on the countries problems.”
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I find it interesting that Dupnik insists that “there’s no doubt" in his mind Loughner was influenced by anti-government rhetoric seconds after he just said that he didn’t have the information yet [on whether Loughner was inspired by political vitriol and anti-government rhetoric].
Equally hilarious was Dupnik saying, “Well, I think it’s more than just a political spin. I’m not sure that it really has anything to do with politics” then proceeds to make it a political issue by saying, “it used to be that politicians from different parties could sit down, forget about their ideology and work on the countries problems”.
Perhaps the most bizarre statement from Dupnik was this: “I grew up in a country that was totally different from the country that we have today. We didn’t have this kind of nonsense going on”. Hmmmm…did he take a time machine from 1959 and go straight to 1970 and completely miss the 1960’s? Where was he when both Kennedy’s, Martin Luther King, Gandhi, Metger Evers and Malcolm X were all assassinated? Brilliantly, Megan Kelly does not miss the chance of mentioning a few of these names to the Sheriff, of which he has no response. [Also, Dupnik was 18 years old when four Puerto Rican nationalists opened fire in the House of Representatives on March 1, 1954, injuring five representatives who were among the 240 reps of the 83rd congress debating the immigration bill. But, Dupnik is right, that kind of nonsense didn't happen in his day....only what he conveniently remembers...which is nothing.]
On Saturday night, on a special presentation of Countdown during his Special Comment, Keith Olbermann praised Sheriff Dupnik for his above comments while not missing a chance to blame Loughner’s actions on the Tea Party and every conservative he could think of while completely omitting from his speech the fact that just two days before the shootings in Arizona, the Daily Kos posted this story [now removed] by someone named BoyBlue entitled, “My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now dead to me!” The Congresswoman BoyBlue is referring to? Gabrielle Giffords.
Here are the screen shots of the story. [click to enlarge, as well as all remaining pictures]
The Daily Kos also ran a story posted by Markos Moulitsas himself in June of 2008 where he said these words:
“Not all of these people will get or even deserve primaries, but this vote certainly puts a bulls eye on their district. If we can field enough serious challengers, and if we repeat the Donna Edwards and Joe Lieberman stories a few more times, well then, our elected officials might have no choice but to be more responsive. Because if we show them that their AT&T lobbyist buddies can't save their jobs, they'll pay more attention to those who can.”
Right above this quote was a list of “targeted” Democrats who voted for the 2008 FISA bill. Giffords name was one of 43 blue dog democrats whose names were highlighted for “added emphasis”.
Olbermann also omitted the fact that Barack Obama said on June 14, 2008 at a Philadelphia fundraiser [to Republicans]: “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun”. Here’s the screen shot of the original Wall Street Journal story posted on the left wing Huffington Post website.
Had a conservative, gun owning libertarian said this, they would not only be mentioning it every 6 seconds on MSNBC and CNN, and not only would it be on every liberal blog you can name, but they would be tar-and-feathering the one who said it and hanging them on a flag pole by his ballsack. Since Obama said it, no big deal…move along, nothing to see here. We would also be hearing “He didn’t mean that LITERALLY, get real.”Here is a clip of Obama telling his supporters on Sept. 17, 2008 to “argue” with their political opponents and “get in their face”. Again, if there were a clip of a libertarian gun owner saying these words, they would be charged right along with Loughner as a co-conspirator of his crime. Since Obama said it, no big deal….move along, nothing to see here.
This brings us to the ramblings, yet again, of Mark Potok, of the Southern Poverty Law Center, who was on Countdown with Keith Olbermann on Saturday night. Like clockwork, Potok wastes no time lumping Loughner in with the “conspiracy theorist/patriot movement/white supremacy” group because that’s his job.
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Potok mentions Loughner’s YouTube page, in which Loughner lists his favorite books, but only mentions Ayn Rand’s We the Living, while completely ignoring the fact that Hitler’s Mein Kempf and The Communist Manifesto are among his faves. It’s quite clear why Potok would purposely refrain from mentioning these books, because they were written by socialists and mentioning them would have obliterated his point that Loughner is “right wing”. The Wizard of Oz and Peter Pan are also on Loughner’s favorite book list. Does this mean that Potok believes children all around the world who have read these two books are prone to assassinate politicians in public?
Loughner's YouTube page
Potok attempts to connect Loughner to conspiracy theorist David Icke by mentioning that Loughner posted that he studied “conscience dreaming” in college on his YouTube page. Potok says that term should be “conscious dreaming” and insists that Icke [which Potok pronounces “Icky”] practices conscious dreaming despite there being no mention of that term nowhere on Icke’s website or wikipedia page.
Potok also says that another “sign” that Loughner was part of the “radical right” was his “idea of the only legitimate currency being backed by gold and silver”. Potok calls this a “core idea of the radical right”, despite the fact that it was a core idea of the framers of the Constitution. Article 1, Section 10 says this:
“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”
According to Mark Potok, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would be prone to assassinating political officials. They get no nuttier than Mark Potok.
Then, we have our favorite liberal wingnuts Dave Neiwert and Andy Ostroy to add their exploitation to the mix.
Neiwert, in his latest article, without any facts whatsoever to link Loughner to “right wing extremism”, the Patriot movement or government hatred, immediately links Loughner to the right wing by saying that the Giffords shooting makes “19 total cases of domestic-terrorism inspired by right-wing extremism in the past couple of years”.
Neiwert cites 18 incidents of “supposed” right-wing acts of domestic terrorism in the past 2-½ years. Most of his list are incidents that seemingly had nothing to do with right-wing extremism. Four of the incidents appear to be grounded in racism against President Obama. Neiwert has never made a conclusive link between white supremacists and right-wing extremists.
A good example of the point I am making is holocaust museum shooter James von Brunn [who happens to be one of the 18 examples Neiwert lists] who supposedly was “right wing” and a white supremacist. Nevermind the fact that Neiwert NOT ONCE mentioned in ANY of his stories that von Brunn hated both Bush’s, McCain and FOX News and that the FOX News affiliate in Washington DC was his next target.
Neiwert mentions an unidentified man who walked into a Jacksonville mosque in May of 2010 and set it on fire, also setting off a pipe bomb. In the article that he links to, nowhere does it mention the man was “right wing” or how anyone would even know what his political views were since he is UNIDENTIFIED.
Neiwert mentions tax protester Joe Stack who flew a plane into an IRS building in Austin, Texas in February of 2010, but fails to mention that “right wing” Joe Stack was a DEMOCRAT and quoted socialist Karl Marx in hs suicide note.
Neiwert mentions Scott Roeder, the man who assassinated abortion doctor George Tiller in May of 2009. No mention by Neiwert on how he knows Roeder was “right wing” or even had a political agenda. It was not possible that Roeder killed Tiller because he was pissed off about abortions? Not that this would justify it. In fact, I wrote about this story and condemned O’ Reilly for possibly fueling the murders. You don’t have to be right wing or a follower of O’ Reilly to be angry about abortion. Case-in-point….I, myself, abhor Bill O’ Reilly and I am not right wing, but I still oppose abortion. Case closed.
Neiwert mentions Pittsburgh cop killer Richard Poplawski, who killed 3 cops in April of 2009. Again no mention of what makes a white supremacist “right wing” [as I debunked in the James von Brunn incident].
Neiwert mentions Pentagon shooter John Patrick Bedell, who wounded two officers in March of 2010, but once again fails to mention that he was a registered DEMOCRAT.Neiwert’s remaining examples may very well be tied to right-wing extremists, I have no idea. I don’t have much knowledge of those incidents, but I just explained away 10 of them very quickly. I am sure if I spent more time investigating the lesser-known incidents, I am sure I would find more evidence that Neiwert is sensationalizing these incidents and that would make him an even bigger lying sack of shit than I have already proven him to be.
Neiwert calls the Giffords shooting the “19th case of domestic terrorism by right-wing extremism” when we still do not have any idea what the reason is behind the Arizona shootings. It could be anything. It could be the fact that Loughner is a known anti-semite [because he obviously loves Hitler] and he acted out because Giffords is Jewish. My point is: we don’t know the reasons yet, and that is why people like Sheriff Dupnik and Dave Neiwert need to shut their gigantic pieholes until we have FACTS. Until then, these fucktards are exploiting the deaths of six people [including a 6-year-old]. I bet that makes those bastards real proud!
Fucktard Andy Ostroy is another who exploits the tragedy to make a cheap political point. He immediately blames O’ Reilly, Limbaugh, Palin, Hannity and Glenn Beck for hateful rhetoric when his own site is filled with the exact same hateful rhetoric. I don’t have time to post it all.
Ostroy says this:
“Is it not fair or accurate then to connect the dots to these reckless rabble-rousers and put the blood of the Tuscon victims on their hands? Given the political rantings on his website and in YouTube videos, are we to be so naive as to think that 22-year-old mass murderer Jared Loughner, who took his glock to that supermarket parking lot with the clear intent to assassinate Giffords, was not at all influenced by this steady stream of hate-speak from Palin, Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly and others? Or worse, have we become so dominated by political correctness that we fail so miserably to directly place blame where it so rightfully lies?”
Ostroy knows this? He has proof Loughner was influenced by the aforementioned people? Do the people listed say inflammatory things on occasion? Of course they do, but so do liberals. Remember Chris Matthews saying he wished Rush Limbaugh would die from a CO2 pellet to the head? Does Ostroy mention this? Hell no.
Here are Matthews’ words and the clip [from October 13, 2009]:
“You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody's going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he's going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we'll be there to watch. I think he's Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?"
Of course Ostroy doesn’t mention this. It would destroy his agenda and his exploitation of the Arizona tragedy by telling his 3 readers that LEFT wing people spew vitriol too.
Also, it makes no sense that Loughner would be a rock-solid right-winger when Giffords advocated right-wing issues like border security and gun rights. It has also been revealed in the last 24 hours that Loughner was into the occult, idolized fake human skulls and dressed like the grim reaper. Odd behavior for a right-wing conservative.
A photo was recently taken [below] of Loughner’s back yard showing the human skull shrine.
Also, others who knew Loughner tweeted on Saturday and said he was “left wing” and “liberal”. Tweeter “antderosa” said this on Twitter on Saturday:
“As I knew him, he was left-wing, quite liberal & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy”
“lakarune” said this:
“I haven’t seen him since ’07. Then he was left-wing”
The bottom line is this: Vitriol and hate speech comes from both sides of the political fence. For one side to demonize the other without facts and without a pure and sincere desire to know what was at the very heart of these crimes is dangerous, unprofessional and downright despicable.
Olbermann, Potok, Neiwert, Dupnik, Ostroy and any other asshole that immediately jumped on board the exploitation train should be immediately fired and on their knees begging for forgiveness for taking a real tragedy [that resulted in real dead people] and turning it into a cheap political soundbyte to advance their political agendas.
Real Truth Online wishes speedy recoveries for Congresswoman Giffords as well as the remaining injured. We wish comfort and peace of mind to the families that lost their loved ones.