Thursday, January 14, 2010

Scumbag Pat Robertson says Haiti deserved Earthquake because they made “pact with the devil


What is the reason for this man’s existence?

By Larry Simons
January 14, 2010

Yesterday on the 700 Club, “Christian” scumbag/evangelist Pat Robertson added to his incredibly long list of despicable and obtuse comments when he had this to say about the massive Earthquake that hit Haiti on Tuesday:

“Something happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French, uh, know, Napoleon the third and whatever, and they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, ‘We will serve you if you'll get us free from the French.' True story. And the devil said, ‘OK, it's a deal’, and they kicked the French out, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free, and ever since they have been cursed by one thing after the other, desperately poor.”

watch the clip


As Robertson sat there and spewed his shit, co-host Kristi Watts sat there like a graven image, nodding in agreement with a "yes Pat, I totally agree with you, because you're my employer and even if I dared to disagree with your hateful bile, I wouldn't tell you anyway, because I need my paycheck" look on her face, taking it all in as if she was listening to Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech.

Before I even mention how big of a prick one has to be to make such a vile and hateful comment at the very moment thousands of people are crushed underneath tons of concrete and thousands more are homeless and hungry, let’s address the comment itself.

According to Salon.com’s interview with UCLA history and anthropology professor Andrew Apter, the facts about Haiti’s voodoo traditions and their third world status reveal that not only is Pat Roberston and old fucking, senile douchebag, but a blatant liar:

Is there any truth to what Pat Robertson is saying?
Of course not! Haitians are Christians. Pat Robertson's language is the reductio ad absurdum of the Christian right. It's so absurd it's almost funny. This notion of a pact with the devil is basically an echo of an old colonial response to the successes of the 1790s Haitian revolution.

What is this pact he's talking about?
Part of the revolution mythology is that one of the revolution leaders sacrificed a pig in Bois Caïmin in a voodoo ceremony and made a contract with Petwo [Haitian voodoo spirits]. It may or may not be true, but to call that a pact with the devil is a gross misrepresentation of what voodoo is. It's about anything but the devil. He's imposing an evangelical religious order on a much more sophisticated practice, and he's turning it into a cheap invocation of Satanism.


This is hate speech. It's saying these people are damned. It's a frequent theme among some Christians that Haiti is being punished for this supposed pact with the devil with extreme poverty and humanitarian crises. Tragically, many evangelical Christians in Haiti may actually, in their own extreme confusion and suffering and desperation, believe that God is punishing them.


The reason Haiti is poor is because Europe imposed a blockade on trade after the slave revolt in 1804, and you have an extremely polarized class structure in which a few families stepped into the positions of the former colonial plantation owners. There has been a horrible cycle of plundering and autocracy within Haitian leadership.

Why do you think this kind of obsession with Haitian voodoo persists?
There's a fascination with all things voodoo, not only in New Orleans but also on TV, on shows like "Bones," and it stems from the occupation of Haiti by the U.S. Marines in the first part of the 20th century. There were campaigns under certain Haitian governments in conjunction with the church to rout voodoo, but it didn't come close to working, because voodoo is part of everyday life in Haiti.

Do you think this has been holding Haiti back?
I think other factors are more important in holding Haiti back: the class structure, the dispossession of a largely illiterate populace, the links that the underclass increasingly has with drug gangs, which has generated a lot of violence, and the tradition of sweatshop labor. I think the backlash against voodoo is a kind of reflection of the problems, rather than a cause of it.


Saying the most hateful, vile and horrendous things is nothing new for Roberston.

Roberston has said the following in the past about:

9/11
Robertson "totally concur[red]" with Falwell on September 13, 2001 that the 9-11 attacks could be attributed in part to "the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians." Rev. Jerry Falwell reportedly said of the 9-11 attacks: "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the A.C.L.U., People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' '' Robertson, as reported by The New York Times, replied: “Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government.”

Orlando, FL city officials [after they voted to fly rainbow flags from city lampposts during the annual Gay Days event at Disney World]. Robertson issued this warning to them in 1998:

“I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you. ... [A] condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs, it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor.”

Hugo Chavez
Robertson said on August 22, 2005:

“I don't know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we're trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop.”

Katrina victims
Robertson said on September 12, 2005:

“We have killed over 40 million unborn babies in America. I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he used the term that those who do this, "the land will vomit you out." That -- you look at your -- you look at the book of Leviticus and see what it says there. And this author of this said, "well 'vomit out' means you are not able to defend yourself." But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?”

Citizens of Dover, PA [for voting off the school board all 7 members who believed in intelligent design]

Robertson said on November 10, 2005:

“I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: if there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for His help because He might not be there.”

How does this piece of shit still get opportunity after opportunity to discharge these hate-driven, appalling comments? My deduction is that Robertson is the personification of the devil himself. Who else could be perpetually fueled by the most hate-filled and venomous remarks a human being could excrete and display this magnitude of utter contempt for other human beings but Lucifer himself?

I only have two words for you Pat......“Fuck” and “you”.

Keith Olbermann ripped Robertson a new ass last night for his disgraceful comments. Olbermann said this about Robertson [and Rush Limbaugh]:

“I would wish you to hell, but knowing how empty your souls must be to able to say such things in a time of such pain, I suspect the vacant purposeless of the lives you both live now are hell enough already.”

Way to go, Keith!


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Here’s Olbermann again adding more in response to Robertson’s hateful comments:


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I guess the United States [and the rest of the world] is desperately rushing in food, water, medical supplies and clothes to the devil's children, Pat? I guess that's the reason you're choosing to sit on your old, arthritic, lazy asshole inside your comfy studio while OTHERS do your good Samaritan work FOR you?

You make me SICK, you miserable glob of monkey spunk.

31 comments:

Preston said...

The only good thing about bigots is on account of their inbreeding they will ultimately die out, but these two should real slither back under the rock they share.

Anonymous said...

the voice of london eerrr rush is a pile of shit.

the_last_name_left said...

Funny thing is, Larry agrees with Robertson on almost everything else:

Pat Robertson’s work, NEW WORLD ORDER, is a catch all for conspiracy theories. It combines the paranoia of the Old Right with modern versions. A summary of Robertson’s book is found on page 177 of the writing in which Pat says a conspiracy has existed in the world working through Freemasonry and a secret Order of the Illumaniti, a group combining Masons and Jewish Bankers. In Pat’s understanding, there is no more "monstrous evil" than bringing church going men into the Masonic lodges. 184 This occult organization recruited Marx and Lenin and setup world Communism. Secret banking forces in America were behind the Communist take over of Russia. The ultimate objective of this group is to set up a One World Order in which the United States must be dismantled. This Globalists movement is fed by the American media and human sexuality movements. This New Age religion is making its way into American education.143 Near the end of the work, Pat asks the question of the reader, "Are these the ravings of a lunatic?"

See the sort of person that believes as you do, Larry?

;)

Funny he can so astute on conspiracy, but so kooky otherwise?

Odd, isn't it?

Though we can solve the contradiction by accepting Robertson is kooky about *everything* - including the same conspiracy rubbish you believe in......

:D

Messianic Theonomist said...

Sorry Larry, but Pat, as much as I dislike him as a person, is at least partially right.
Voodoo, and any other belief that denies the absolute deity of the Creator, is demonic. That's demon as in fallen angel, the chief of whom is the Devil or Satan.
Deuteronomy 28 is still in effect, over the long run. God is patient and does not immediately punish those who break his law. But the US, which, despite your frequent disclaimers, was established on godly principles, has long since abandoned them and turned to humanism. We need to repent or 9/11 and Katrina will seem like child's play.

the_last_name_left said...

Messianic Theno is clearly insane.

There's a man in the sky - but you can't see him.

:D

Why adults believe any of this stuff is a mystery.

The quicker the US adopts humanism the better, pal.

And come on, catch up? It's 2009, not 1645.......

Lary said...

LOL, because he talks about the Freemasons [which actually EXIST] and the Illuminati [that EXISTS] that means Im in complete agreement with him about everything? What’s your point anyway? That I cant condemn someone for saying vile things about Haiti if there’s 2 or 3 other things we agree on about something COMPLETELY SEPARATE from what I condemned him for?

That is how ignorant assholes like you work: You find ZERO material to debunk me on, so you resort to the guilt-by-association tactic, implying that I must be off my rocker for condemning someone for one thing when you try to tie us together with something COMPLETELY different. That’s like saying me and me and Glenn Beck are tied together because he talked about state secession [which is actually CONSTITUTIONAL]. So, in your twisted logic, if we agree on that, then we MUST agree with everything ELSE, huh?

Are you suggesting that Im supposed to be chumsy with EVERYONE who mentions a New World Order? Even if they believe in ridiculous things like The Bible? The ironic thing about your post [and others like it] is the fact that you strongly imply that just because me and Robertson agree on things [which there’s still no evidence of, because I havent read ANYTHING he has written, nor will I] that means we should agree on EVERYTHING or that I shouldn’t condemn him---BUT, even YOU have admitted agreeing with me on certain things, like my condemnation of Alex Jones and homosexuals marrying. So, are you saying because we agree on those 2 issues, that means youre gonna be my buddy and automatically suggest that we agree on EVERYTHING, like we’re on the same team? Ahhhhh, of course not! How ridiculous, right? You would NEVER agree that you are ANYWHERE near being the same as me----but that’s EXACTLY what you heavily implied in that post about Robertson!

The truth is, me and you could not be FARTHER apart in how different we are and what we believe, but there are 2 or 3 things we agree on. That doesn’t draw us closer in ideology, asshole. I might hold 2 or 3 identical views to Glenn Beck, or Rush Limbaugh or Rudy Giuliani, does that mean me and those guys are anywhere NEAR being the same in our views? Of course not---as Im sure youd agree, because if you agreed, that would mean that me and YOU are linked, and that alone is insane. Me and YOU are the PERFECT example of the fact that two people can hold 2 or 3 similar views, but still be COMPLETELY different in overall ideology and world view-----yet, to make a cheap point [and to further reveal that you cant debunk me] you attempt to make this silly guilt-by-association link with me and Robertson.

You will ignore this post, like you do with ALL my posts that make EXCELLENT points. Im looking forward to you ignoring it.

Larry said...

Messianic Theonomist ---- whatever you views are on the Bible, voodoo, or whatever, the entire point of my article is about the fact that Robertson chose to say these things just a DAY after it happened---his timing is cold, callous and cruel---as it always is.

"But the US, which, despite your frequent disclaimers, was established on godly principles, has long since abandoned them and turned to humanism."

Our founding documents mention a GOD and CREATOR, but NOWHERE does it say ANYWHERE that its the God of the BIBLE. Most of our founders were deists and agnostics. Are you suggesting that deism and agnosticism is CHRISTIAN? Even Jefferson wrote his own version of the New Testament that excluded everything supernatural [virgin birth, miracles, angels, healing, spirits, resurrection]-----how "Christian" is that? Funny that you mentioned humanism, because most of the founders relied more on human reason than anything spiritual. I suggest you do more reading.

Larry said...

Also Messianic Theonomist---if God was in the "punish countries because they violate his laws" business, the United States would have been obliterted long ago. As for your 9/11 and Katrina references, I believe 9/11 was carried out by the US and Katrina possibly was too---we do have weather modification technology, it exists and its not even a conspiracy theory, its known fact. Another thing that is known FACT is that Bush KNEW Katrina was coming days before it hit---and did nothing.

You go on believing that God "punishes" countries for sin. Why isnt he obliterating Burma for their practice of genocide? North Korea for testing nukes? The US for its creation of the CIA and the fact that we are responsible for MILLIONS and MILLIONS of deaths worldwide?? Tell me what country would still be on the map if God punished countries for violating his laws?

Even if it WAS true that Haiti was punished by God [which its NOT]----Robertson is supposed to find ways to HELP these people and show Jesus to them. Jesus wouldnt sit in a comfy studio and CONDEMN them, he would get up off his ass and HELP these people!!! Why do I know more about what Christians SHOULD DO than Christians do???

the_last_name_left said...

Larry: ...there’s still no evidence [that me and Robertson agree on things], because I havent read ANYTHING he has written, nor will I.

hehe.

You don't have to even know who Robertson is (or anyone else) for it be an objective fact that you do agree with him. That fact exists outside of your knowledge of Robertson, or anyone else, Larry.

L: So, are you saying because we agree on those 2 issues, that means youre gonna be my buddy and automatically suggest that we agree on EVERYTHING, like we’re on the same team? Ahhhhh, of course not! How ridiculous, right? You would NEVER agree that you are ANYWHERE near being the same as me----but that’s EXACTLY what you heavily implied in that post about Robertson!

Absolutely right. OF course not.

But the fact is, as you just confirmed, and stressed, you and I agree on very, very little.

On the other hand, you and Robertson agree on almost everything.

That's the point, Larry.

L: because he talks about the Freemasons [which actually EXIST] and the Illuminati [that EXISTS] that means Im in complete agreement with him about everything?

No - of course not.

You've just written an article criticising him (about one, obvious failing of Robertson's.)

But you agree with him about so much else.

That's the point.

L: I cant condemn someone for saying vile things about Haiti if there’s 2 or 3 other things we agree on about something COMPLETELY SEPARATE from what I condemned him for?

No, of course not.

But it isn't "two or three things" that you agree on.

You agree on an entire perspective.......and that is certainly not just "two or three things".

You seemingly only disagree with him across an extremely narrow range.

Not "just a few things" at all.

This close agreement between your worldview and Robertson's is......pure coincidence?

And meaningless?


Are we really to believe that your worldview corresponding with Robertson's in so many ways is just a matter of randomness.....aggregating facts without consequence???

You surely can't contend that your beliefs can only be described as similar in all these ways..........but the fact thus described means "nothing"?

If your views are similar - they are similar.

People don't generally like to hold views which contradict their wider belief system.....or their wider worldview. People assimilate views into themselves.....and attempt to remain coherent.

Sharing a lot of views with someone else......says something. Especially when it's an entire perspective or worldview, whatever. Surely?

Sharing some views doesn't make two people "the same thing".......but it doesn't exactly help make them different, does it?

Don't be so binary about it?

Larry said...

"But the fact is, as you just confirmed, and stressed, you and I agree on very, very little.

On the other hand, you and Robertson agree on almost everything.

That's the point, Larry."

Yes, very, VERY little, BUT we DO agree on the VERY LITTLE things! Care to provide a list of things me and Robertson agree on? It will be disturbing if you CAN provide such a list, because that will only indicate that you KNOW what Robertson believes more than I DO! Which would only mean ONE thing----you read Robertsons books, watch his shows and study what he believes in. How else would you know we "agree" on "almost everything" unless you KNOW EVERYTHING Robertson believed in? If you know TWO of his views, that would be TWO more than I know, which means you read his books, watch his shows, etc....

Of course, I know what your response will be to me asking you to provide a list of his views. You will say, "Dont be lazy Larry---look it up yourself". That's your classic tactic: Accuse someone of lying, believing in far-out things, and then when the person you accuse asks you for PROOF of what you claim, you tell THEM to look it up THEMSELVES and do YOUR work FOR you. If YOU are making the accusation, it is YOUR JOB to provide the proof and facts---NOT mine. The burden of proof is on YOU if YOU make the claim that someone is wrong, lying, misled, etc...etc.

Do you realize or CARE how ridiculous you appear when you accuse OTHERS of lying or following far out beliefs and then when THEY ask for proof of YOUR accusation, you tell THEM to research it? It would be MY JOB to defend what I say, its YOUR JOB to defend what YOU say or claim---but in your twisted logic, you feel you can make an accusation and then you make the accused do the work! That ALONE makes you a NUT.

"Sharing a lot of views with someone else......says something. Especially when it's an entire perspective or worldview, whatever."

Robertson believes there IS a god---I am an agnostic---that is a HUGE difference in world view. He ultimately believes that God will make everything good and just in the end----thats what every "Christian" believes. I dont believe that. I believe that if evil men control the world and there's a chance that no God exists, then we're all fucked and nothing supernatural will stop it. Robertson believes that even though the evil exists, it will eventually be extinguished by God---thats why most Christians are lazy and dont do anything about any kind of evil or injustice---they believe "God wll take care of it". I dont believe that. Doyou realize how VAST of a difference that is just in basic ideology?

I dont KNOW what Robertson believes, what I mentioned above is what Christians in general believe.

"Are we really to believe that your worldview corresponding with Robertson's in so many ways is just a matter of randomness.....aggregating facts without consequence???"

And what "corresponding" things are you referring to? You named TWO things, the masons and the New World Order---thats TWO. If you CLAIM there's MORE, then it is YOUR JOB to provide the exhaustive list. If you CANNOT or WILL NOT provide that list--then surely, you cannot make that claim, CAN YOU? Telling me it is MY JOB to look it up will only be considered as ONE thing and ONE thing only-----an ADMITTANCE on your part that NO LIST EXISTS. And if no LIST exists, then neither does your claim!

Larry said...

I noticed from my sitemeter that you were on my site last night at roughly 10:19pm [3:19am Jan 17 your time] and you didnt post anything-----hmmm, I wonder why??? LOL

the_last_name_left said...

I did start writing a reply......but it got long....and I concluded there isn't much point in even going through the arguments.

Simply - you share more than one or two things with Robertson. You share his worldview.....apparently with some exceptions. Over religion, mainly, I imagine.

On the other hand, you and I agree about very little - almost nothing - as you stressed yourself.

See?

And why shouldn't I say to you "Go and look for yourself?"

You really should........

I quoted that review of Robertson's book. I'll repeat what it says about Robertson's worldview :

Secret banking forces in America were behind the Communist take over of Russia. The ultimate objective of this group is to set up a One World Order in which the United States must be dismantled. This Globalists movement is fed by the American media and human sexuality movements.

That isn't one or two things over which you agree, Larry. It's lots of things - many of them merely implied. But not the least of what you share is an entire paranoid conspiratorial framework and worldview.

You share the same lens.....and disagree on but a few details? Seems fairly accurate to me......

;)

Larry said...

“I did start writing a reply......but it got long....and I concluded there isn't much point in even going through the arguments.”

Quite funny.

“Simply - you share more than one or two things with Robertson. You share his worldview.....apparently with some exceptions. Over religion, mainly, I imagine.”

“Simply” huh? Then it should be SIMPLE to produce this list of things we agree on! But AS USUAL, I have to CONTINUALLY ask for things that YOU claim there’s TONS of evidence of!!! You should be POSTING it without me having to ASK for it!

“And why shouldn't I say to you "Go and look for yourself?"”

Because YOU made the claim that there’s this long list of things we agree on ASSFACE!! If YOU make a claim, then YOU provide evidence of that claim! Like I said [which you IGNORED]---since you KNOW that theres this “long list” of things we agree on, that means you read and study Pat Robertson! That must make you “right wing”!!!!! LOL.

“I quoted that review of Robertson's book.”

LOL! All that shows is that you can copy and paste! And we already KNEW you can do that! Youre the king of copy and paste! Now, why don’t you take your queenie fingers and actually type some PROOF-------send me the LIST of things we agree on!

“That isn't one or two things over which you agree, Larry. It's lots of things - many of them merely implied. But not the least of what you share is an entire paranoid conspiratorial framework and worldview.”

“Lots of things”???? Then it should be SIMPLE to type the list!!! RIGHT????? But yet you REFUSE to do it! You make a claim and then when I ASK for the backup of that claim, you run like a little girl and hide behind you bullshit gobbily-gook and continual avoidance of my requests. “Implied”???? LOL. First you say I DIRECTLY share the same views with Robertson, now you say its “implied”. What will you say next time, my views and his are “vaguely” matched??? LOL

GIVE ME THE LIST asshole!!!

Why does the one you claim to be fucked up in worldview have to continually BEG for the facts from one you claim to have the TRUTH????

the_last_name_left said...

Well, here's an Amazon customer review.......

Pat Robertson's book, The New World Order, clarifies what has confounded too many people in America today. It details the influence of the Bildeberger Group, the Trilateral Commission, and the Council on Foreign Relations. It also tells about the private corporation that we call the Federal Reserve System.

Basically, Pat tells how the world is progressing toward the One World government that is foretold in the Book of Revelations. In order for the world to come together into one government, we cannot have a constitutional republic in America guaranteeing our freedoms and combine that with the communism, fascism and socialism prevalent in the rest of the world. If the One World government is to operate, we would have to give up our freedoms. And we have, if you haven't noticed.


Can you really not see the least connection between your perspective and Robertson's, Larry?

the_last_name_left said...

OR this, from a review of Robertson's conspiracy theories::

Robertson offers two very different scenarios for the New World Order, one financial, the other moral. In the first, he foresees a European seizure of American wealth via a world currency and a single global bank. The conspirator's identity is Money Power; its motivation is a mixture of greed and a preference for the simplicity of dictatorship over the messiness of democracy. As early as 1865, European bankers arranged for Abraham Lincoln's murder to prevent him from issuing interest-free currency, which would have broken their hold over the U.S. money supply. In 1912, to maintain that hold, the banking interests engineered a three-way race for the presidency, permitting Woodrow Wilson to win. A year later Wilson and his aide Colonel Edward House institutionalized the Money Power by getting the Sixteenth Amendment passed, permitting Congress to collect an income tax, and establishing the Federal Reserve Board. These two developments are closely connected, for the central bank relies on the income tax to advance an "international financial assault on the freedom and integrity of America."

Gotta admit, Larry, it does sound like you, doesn't it?

Robertson's second and far uglier scenario concerns the Illuminati, the Freemasons, and extreme New Age religionists..........they seek "a one-world government, a one-world army, a one-world economy under an Anglo-Saxon financial oligarchy, and a world dictator ...."

Robertson offers Hitler's attempts at world hegemony as the closest historical parallel to the "giant prison" of the New World Order.


It really does sound like you, Larry?

Robertson sees the Council on Foreign Relations (as well as the Trilateral Commission) as the New World Order's main agent in the United States. The conspirators have not yet brought down the United States, but they did cause the Great Depression and several recessions; in addition, they "helped destroy" the Soviet bloc, China, Cuba, Nicaragua, and many countries in Southeast Asia and Africa.

HEy, uncanny? You're not his son or something, Larry?

Writing in 1991, Robertson finds that recent events point to "a giant plan" in which everything is "perfectly on cue." Note the particulars: "Europe sets the date for its union. Communism collapses. A hugely popular war [against Iraq] is fought in the Middle East. The United Nations is rescued from scorn by an easily swayed public. A new world order is announced [by George Bush]." Looking ahead, Robertson sees a financial collapse that prompts the U.S. government to turn over its defense and its sovereignty to the United Nations. The U.N. then imposes socialist and anti-Christian rules. The leaders "elect a world president with plenary powers who is totally given to the religion of humanity." The New World Order is in place.

SO........your perspective shares only "one or two things" with RObertson's, LArry?

I don't think so.

the_last_name_left said...

This is a good general description of the views of the paranoid, malcontent right - within which it is possible to locate BOTH Pat Robertson's views, AND YOURS, Larry. And Alex Jones'. The JBS, Willis Carto, Mullins....and all the rest of the (rightwing) kooks.....

The new order will not be pleasant. Immigrants will take over the country, and Americans will lose all their constitutional rights, especially the right to bear arms. Controls will be unprecedented: "it will only be a matter of time before humans are tattooed with a similar mark" to the codes in the supermarket. Or tiny microchips will be inserted into Americans' buttocks to keep track of each person's whereabouts and activities. (Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, believes the government performed this operation on him during his army service.) Those who step out of line will meet with severe consequences. Dissidents will be removed by unmarked black helicopters to detention camps located at government installations such as air force bases. Some of these have already been prepared; ominously, barbed wire around an unused airfield in California faces inward. As a last resort, four crematoria have been built around the country, each capable of disposing of three thousand corpses a day, or over four million per year.

To forestall this scenario, the Right has taken a variety of steps. In 1994, it spurred the Oklahoma legislature to pass a resolution calling on the U.S. Congress "to cease any support for the establishment of a 'new world order' or any form of global government." It also takes active measures, with some ten to forty thousand individuals organized into militias that train with guns during weekends in the backwoods of Michigan, Montana, and other states, preparing for the showdown. They engage in "bluehat spotting," or watching for U.N. troops in the United States, as well as keeping a sharp eye out for black helicopters ("When I see a helicopter without markings, I refer to it as an enemy helicopter"). They also paint over highway signs - and thereby confuse highway crews, which lose their maintenance records. To get around this problem, the Indiana Transportation Department changed its methods of keeping codes, hoping this would "reassure those in the motoring public who had these suspicions."

The militias worry not just about defending the homeland; in addition, they increasingly challenge the government of the United States. To many on the Right, Washington has been irretrievably lost to "real" Americans, and they believe it necessary to destroy the U.S. government. William Pierce, the leading exponent of insurrection, avoids charges of seditious conspiracy by presenting his ideas in the form of novels. In The Turner Diaries, called "the bible of the extremist Right," he recounts with chilling enthusiasm the story of the Organization, an underground racist white group financed through counterfeiting and robbing Jewish stores. The action culminates in a racial uprising and the "Day of the Rope," when whites who have "betrayed their race" hang from tens of thousands of lampposts. Then follow massacres of Jews and blacks. Ultimately the Organization takes over the government. In a second novel, Hunter, an admiring Pierce tells the story of a single individual who kills miscegenists, Jews, and others unsuited to live in his vision of America. Pierce does not hide his operational ambitions in writing these novels: "I don't write just for entertainment. It's to explain things to people. I'd like to see North America become a white continent."

One doesn't have to live in the inner city or in Montana to worry about plots; conspiracy theories also flourish among society's favored. Plenty of centrist, rich, and educated people share this disposition, including presidential candidates and important figures in popular culture.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/bessel.htm

the_last_name_left said...

Keeping Robertson's perspective fresh in mind, notice the advert for Alex Jones' DVDs right alongside these comments here at Larry's site?

The link Larry provides goes to Alex Jones' webstore where Engame is advertised as

For the New World Order, a world government is just the beginning. Once in place they can engage their plan to exterminate 80% of the world's population, while enabling the "elites" to live forever with the aid of advanced technology. For the first time, crusading filmmaker ALEX JONES reveals their secret plan for humanity's extermination: Operation ENDGAME.

Note - Endgame features "content" on the Bildebegers......starring Willis Carto's friend of 20 years, Big Jim Tucker.

Extras + Special Features

*
"Bilderberg 2007 Report"


Bildebergs were mentioned amongst Robertson's pet conspiracies. Willis Carto and his minions also "dig it". As does Alex Jones - as does Larry.

Larry tries to pretend these connections are all just coincidence.......and meaningless.

Larry likes to pretend the similarity of the CONTENT of these peoples' views and his own is completely MEANINGLESS.

Here's some rubbish from Larry's links..... promoting Alex Jones' Obama Deception....

We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. It's not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation.

Is that Robertson writing? or Alex Jones? or Larry? Or Willis Carto? Hard to tell......

Oh - and I just had to print this.....from Infowars:

The U.S. economy has now entered a deflationary spiral that closely resembles the one that occurred during the Great Depression, a process facilitated by the Federal Reserve as it prints an unlimited supply of fiat money and drastically cuts interest rates, thus speeding up inflation and the devaluation of the dollar

HAHAHAHA. A "deflationary spiral facilitated by" the Fed printing oodles of cash......and thereby "speeding up inflation"!??!?!?!?!?!?!

Shocking you take these people seriously, Larry.

Deflation facilitated by inflation?

Going down facilitated by going up.

HAHA

That's from an infowars article apparently attacking Robertson......

Odd Infowarts should attack Robertson......especially as he says the same thing Alex Jones always does:

Socialist policies and massive government spending, Robertson told Meeuwsen, will lead to hyperinflation. These policies will send prices skyrocketing through the stratosphere and the value of the dollar will go down the tubes. “The Lord said the dollar is going to go down dramatically,” Robertson said in the interview. “If I’m hearing him right, gold will go to about $1900 dollars an ounce and oil to $300 a barrel.”

Larry said...

First of all, that last big post you left [11:16]-----PROVES youre a MAJOR fraud!!! That segment is taken from the book "Conspiracy: How the Paranoid Style Flourishes and Where It Comes From" by Daniel Pipes!!!!! NOT Pat Robertson.

So, let me get this straight: If you have two different people and they both believe SOME identical things [like in the Illuminati and the FACT that Federal Reserve was created by banking criminals in secret] and one of those two people says incredibly ridiculous things, or even commits murder, then the other person MUST be deranged too??? After all, that is th point youre making right?

Youre basically saying that because Robertson mentions the Illuminati [which exist], the New World Order [which has been openly admitted by the Bush's, Gordon Brown and other members at past G2 summits] and that I mention the same things, that means him and I are linked---right? Nevermind that he believes in god and I am agnostic. Nevermind that he hates homosexuals and I am indifferent about that. Nevermind that he supports some of the most unconstitutional politicians alive today [Rudy Giulaini, John McCain..]. Nevermind that he uses the El Diablo satanic hand gesture [even on the cover of magazines]. Nevermind the fact that even IF we hold SOME similar views [and most of the things you mentioned above were FACTS, not "theories"] that I still call him out on his utter bullshit and bile. Nevermind all that. The ONLY thing that matters to you is that when I condemn someone for something they have said, your #1 interest is NOT in the substance of what I said, but trying to find one or 2 similar views we have, as if that ALONE makes me their disciple.

The ONLY reason you do that is because you KNOW you cant debunk anything I said in the article, so you attempt to dig up "links" between me and that person, DESPITE the fact that I have NEVER read or studied ONE WORD of what Robertson believes, nor do I care to.

Dont forget to answer my question:

"So, let me get this straight: If you have two different people and they both believe SOME identical things [like in the Illuminati and the FACT that Federal Reserve was created by banking criminals in secret] and one of those two people says incredibly ridiculous things, or even commits murder, then the other person MUST be deranged too???"

Also, address the fact that you copied and pasted from the WRONG book and a DIFFERENT author! LOL.

The amazing thing about all this is, you constantly condemn all these beliefs and call them "kooky", yet you NEVER, EVER debunk ONE thing! Where's the debunking??

the_last_name_left said...

Larry has links to

Bildeberg conspiracy garbage, just like Robertson?:

http://www.bilderberg.org/

Illuminati conspiracy network:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/

Freemasonry Watch:

http://freemasonrywatch.org/breaking_masonry_news.html

Hard to deny when they appear on your own blog, Larry?

Then we jabe Larry's list of Prisonplanet headings......including

Skull and Bones
Illuminati
Freemasonry


Here's Larry's comment about one of his videos of Alex Jones which appears here at Larry's blog:

Alex Jones sneaks into the secret compound and exposes the global elite practicing their Satanic rituals

And another interesting tidbit:

Mullins' book The World Order, which is about an alleged Illuminati conspiracy, was cited as a reference by Pat Robertson in his 1991 book The New World Order.

Apparently.

the_last_name_left said...

I already acknowledged you don't appear to share Robertson's views on religion.

And I did *not* quote from "the wrong book". I did not claim it was Robertson speaking......I know it is from a Daniel Pipes book which criticises Robertson, and other paranoid conspiracy types.

Duh.

You wanted a list of things you and Robertson both believed.

When I start giving a list, you start saying sharing such views means nothing.

Well, that's just silly, Larry. Off course sharing the same views means "something". Why have any views at all if they "mean nothing"?

You asked for a photo of two people together, as proof of "links between two people."

When I provided a photo of your favourite politician, Porn Raul with some goons from Stromfront, you backtracked into insisting a photo of two people together needn't mean anything.

Of course, "links between people" take more definite forms than a photo of a merely momentary physical proximity, right?

They have to share ideas and beliefs too, right? At least they would if what we wanted to show was some "link" between their ideas, beliefs and worldview, right?

But then when I show how close your own beliefs are to someone else's, you start saying that sharing views is no proof of any "links"!

What would it take to show some "link" Larry? You and Robertson in a photo, I suppose?

Well, I have a photo, of your fave senator Porn Raul with some goons from Stromfront........

Sounding familiar?

Larry said...

"When I provided a photo of your favourite politician, Porn Raul with some goons from Stromfront, you backtracked into insisting a photo of two people together needn't mean anything."

I claimed a photo of two people together doesnt mean anything if theres NO WAY for each party to KNOW who each other IS! BUT, Jones and Carto WOULD KNOW who they both are---wouldnt they??? You even AGREED the would know! But yet, you STILL keep bringing that up as evidence you debunked me when you even ADMITTED that Jones and Carto WOULD KNOW who they both are if they took a picture together! What a FRAUD you are!!

"And I did *not* quote from "the wrong book". I did not claim it was Robertson speaking......I know it is from a Daniel Pipes book which criticises Robertson, and other paranoid conspiracy types."

Ahhh, nice try. First of all, you didnt mention Robertson at ALL in that segment from Pipes---you threw it in there to make it appear as if it was from a Robertson book---and even if its TRUE that you KNEW it was from Pipes-----WHY would you include a segment from someone completely diffrent in whom we were discussing??? Hmmmmmm????

I KNEW you would IGNORE my question. Thats your trademark---ignore, ignore, ignore.

Ar you saying Skull and Bones, the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati and the Freemasons arent REAL? Thats a YES/NO question---Id like an answer. Id also like an answer to THIS question, that you IGNORED:

"So, let me get this straight: If you have two different people and they both believe SOME identical things [like in the Illuminati and the FACT that Federal Reserve was created by banking criminals in secret] and one of those two people says incredibly ridiculous things, or even commits murder, then the other person MUST be deranged too???"

the_last_name_left said...

You demanded I answer a question?

Be nice if one day you'd address some of mine.

L: "So, let me get this straight: If you have two different people and they both believe SOME identical things [like in the Illuminati and the FACT that Federal Reserve was created by banking criminals in secret] and one of those two people says incredibly ridiculous things, or even commits murder, then the other person MUST be deranged too???"

No.

However, in the specific case of you and Robertson, it is simply stating a fact that you and Robertson share a lot of views and your general perspective is near-identical......absent the religion in your case.

Alex Jones seems to be "the missing link" between you and Robertson. You don't share Jones' religious sympathies......doesn't make your beliefs much different from those of Jones though, does it?

I mean, links to Jones' stuff are all over your place here.........your religious differences with Jones don't count for much in that respect, do they?

The difference over religion is "immaterial" to your close affiliation with Jones and his views, and perspective?

Are we to believe then, that your views have "nothing in common" with those of Alex Jones?

L: Youre basically saying that because Robertson mentions the Illuminati [which exist], the New World Order [which has been openly admitted by the Bush's, Gordon Brown and other members at past G2 summits] and that I mention the same things, that means him and I are linked---right?

NO. It would depend on what you mean by "linked".

If you "share" views.....you "share" views. Does that mean you are linked? Well......if you share a worldview you *share* a worldview.

I don't know ALL socialists.....but I suspect I have a fairly good idea what they basically believe......and I have no problem being "linked" to them - as a socialist, in ethics, in philosophy, whatever....

But I don't need to actually know the people personally or even that they exist at all......we *are* nevertheless linked. I have no problems with that over socialism.......so I wonder why you feel uncomfortable being similarly "linked" with people whom hold the same views as you do - whether one calls them paranoid far-right nutcases or "scholars for 911 troof".

I never said you agreed with everything Roberston believes. That isn't the point. You appear to share a lot of beliefs with Robertson.....as does Alex Jones and a lot of the rest of the 911 Troof crowd and patriot "movement".

You are confident there's not even a need to question finding one's self sharing views with such people. Indeed - you embrace them all.......except for a few whinges, like about Robertson over Haiti, or Jones' censorship of yourself.......

That way you can appear to be "different"..........whilst peddling the exact same essential nonsense.

Like washing powder? They're all much the same.......only each one smells a little different.....has different adverts....and different colours.

Watch out, Larry!!!! Here come the Illuminaughty!

the_last_name_left said...

On the Pipes rendition of rightist conspiracy theories: I introduced it thus:

LNL: This is a good general description of the views of the paranoid, malcontent right - within which it is possible to locate BOTH Pat Robertson's views, AND YOURS, Larry. And Alex Jones'. The JBS, Willis Carto, Mullins....and all the rest of the (rightwing) kooks.....

the_last_name_left said...

Ar you saying Skull and Bones, the Bilderberg Group, the Illuminati and the Freemasons arent REAL? Thats a YES/NO question---Id like an answer. Id also like an answer to THIS question, that you IGNORED:

Are 4 different things "real"?

I would have to say "no" even if I thought 3 of those things were "real".

Ask better questions?

Was Merlin "real"? Or Jesus? Nobody disputes the existence in some form of "Merlin" and "Jesus"......even if it is merely the stuff of myth and legend.

I don't mind accepting the existence of those 4 groups you mentioned....in some form. But that's the point, isn't it? In what form? And what are their influence etc?

I don't share the same view about them as you and Robertson appear to. Not at all. Rather I see your view as an attempt at reducing complexity......an all-encompassing "answer to everything" that eschews class analysis (or anything else) in favour of a (usually racist) paranoia about some malevolent group or other responsible for "all the ills of society".

Special treatment is needed for these enemies within.....remove them, and the problems cease.

It's sickeningly self-excusing, imo, tbh. That it's an obvious potential vehicle for the rise of the far-right is indisputable.

Anyway - as you brought it up......here's something:

Willis Carto had taken over the venerable _American Mercury_ in 1966

Here's the sort of thing Carto's Mercury was publishing back then:

---_Conspiracy theories_. Here again, _cherchez le Juif_. In a
typical article, 'Who Makes Our Anti-American Foreign policy?'
Henshaw pulls out all the stops. For fifty years, he says, the
'high elite' in the Council of Foreign Relations has controlled
U.S. foreign policy. The CFR, he informs us, was founded in 1919
by a flock of International Bankers with Jewish names (he lists
them). Then he shifts gears: 'The genesis of conspiratorial
underground to establish a one-world government occurred May 1,
177655 when Adam Weishaupt founded the Order of Illuminati...'

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/c/carto.willis/carto.002

Larry said...

"I don't know ALL socialists.....but I suspect I have a fairly good idea what they basically believe......and I have no problem being "linked" to them - as a socialist, in ethics, in philosophy, whatever...."

Ah ha!!!!!! You dont know ALL socialists! You ADMIT it! So, that means if there are socialists out there [that you ADMITTED 'you dont know'] that believe in killing gays, voodoo, committing genocide, or many other atrocities-----that must mean YOU BELIEVE IN IT TOO! I didnt know ONE thing Robertson believed in until you posted these things [and by the way, you never actually posted QUOTES from Robertson, you posted REVIEWS OF HIS BOOKS-----------NOT the same thing!]

Yeah, you have "no problem" being linked to socilaists----thats because you AGREE WITH SOCIALISM! If it was something BAD in your eyes, youd have a PROBLEM with it, RIGHT????

The one thing you CONTINUALLY IGNORE is this:

"The amazing thing about all this is, you constantly condemn all these beliefs and call them "kooky", yet you NEVER, EVER debunk ONE thing! Where's the debunking??"

You NEVER debunk anything---have you ever noticed that? You and Neiwert CONTINUALLY condemn these views and beliefs, but you NEVER, EVER debunk it. You cant debunk 9-11 as I have PROVEN, by your constant IGNORING of points I make OVER and OVER and yet you still IGNORE them---like the McCormick Center link you gave---that showed NO picture of the building and when I looked up the picture myself, it was NOT a universal collapse. If your "debunking" skills are the same with everything else as they were with 9-11, then I understand WHY you never debunk anything---you CANT!

the_last_name_left said...

Methinks you are sliding away from the topic here.

But anyway....

L: You cant debunk 9-11 as I have PROVEN

Oh - but hold on a second, Larry?

Must I dig out quotes off yours where you claim to "only be asking questions"?

IF you are "only" asking questions, what is there to "debunk" exactly?

When I ask you for specific claims you backtrack into saying "I'm only asking questions!" Yet now you're claiming I can't "debunk" your claims about 911.

Do you make claims that can be "debunked", Larry?

OR

Are you "only asking questions", Larry?

How did the towers collapse, Larry? Give me your view so I can attempt to "debunk" it?

I have asked you repeatedly how anyone (who?) could plant explosives (what sort) at the WTC (when?)

How could anyone get away with it? Why has no positive physical evidence of such explosives been found? How could it be timed to bring the towers down like that? How could they know exactly where the planes would hit the towers? How did the explosives survive the fires? Why do it at all? etc

You want to answer those questions - for the first time - and I'll happily "debunk" them......if they deserve it and I can manage it.

But you never answer such questions - instead you claim you're "only asking questions"

So what is there to debunk, if you have nothing but questions?

Thanks for providing another example of someone slipping between two positions to avoid having to take either. It's not exactly cricket, is it?

the_last_name_left said...

L: You dont know ALL socialists! You ADMIT it!

Err - it's more of an assumption of mine?

I don't know all the socialists, presumably.....as i don't know everyone, so i can't rule out the existence of other socialists beyond those i am aware of....

So yes, I admit it, I guess. I really don't know all socialists! OMFG! Revelation!

L: So, that means if there are socialists out there [that you ADMITTED 'you dont know'] that believe in killing gays, voodoo, committing genocide, or many other atrocities-----that must mean YOU BELIEVE IN IT TOO!

Hmm. lol

Do you know of any socialists "out there killing gays"? Or "committing genocide"?

And voodoo? Hardly the same class as homophobic murder and genocide?

But anyway - I would have no problem accepting I shared my socialism with such people, if it were true. (I mean, how could such people be "socialists"? I don't get that bit. But, accepting it for now....)

I'd have no problem accepting I supported whatever was shared with such people......but what I shared wouldn't extend to genocide and homophobia, or some fear of voodoo, whatever.

If we shared views on socialism, we'd share views on socialism.

So what?

You share views with people and are embarassed about it. And rightly so!

:)

Anonymous said...

last fraud name shares ideas with queenies thats why i call him a queenie.

Larry said...

"I'd have no problem accepting I supported whatever was shared with such people......but what I shared wouldn't extend to genocide and homophobia, or some fear of voodoo, whatever.

If we shared views on socialism, we'd share views on socialism.

So what?"

Ahhhhhhh, so you have YOUR rules about YOU but you try to impose on OTHERS the very things that you ADMIT wouldnt be automatically accepted by you! Isnt that just amazing!

So, youre saying that if you shared socialist views with someone, but that person ALSO believed in genocide, aliens, the Lochness Monster and Bigfoot----that doesnt AUTOMATICALLY mean that YOU accept those bizarre beliefs-----BUT, if I believe in the Illuminati and Freemasons [two things that ACTUALLY EXIST and are NOT conspiracy theories]----and Pat Robertson does TOO, yet he believes in scores of other weird shit, then that must mean I AUTOMATICALLY believe all the weird shit too! But that same rule of transference doesnt apply to you! Ha ha ha ha!!! Ya gotta love it!!

I cant wait to see how you will spin your way out of that!

the_last_name_left said...

youre saying that if you shared socialist views with someone, but that person ALSO believed in genocide, aliens, the Lochness Monster and Bigfoot----that doesnt AUTOMATICALLY mean that YOU accept those bizarre beliefs-----BUT, if I believe in the Illuminati and Freemasons [two things that ACTUALLY EXIST and are NOT conspiracy theories]----and Pat Robertson does TOO, yet he believes in scores of other weird shit, then that must mean I AUTOMATICALLY believe all the weird shit too!

No - it means Robertson believes in a load of shit - most of which you do too. That's all.

Larry said...

BRILLIANT response!!!! LOL.