Friday, June 12, 2009

The left-wing’s evidence Von Brunn was right-wing? He was a white supremacist. WTF?

Left-wing wingnuts and disinformationists Andy Ostroy and Dave Neiwert resort to lies, spin, omission and accusations without proof in their reporting of the holocaust museum shooter

by Larry Simons
June 12, 2009

Left-wing blogs exploded yesterday with assertions and unequivocal conclusions that the holocaust museum shooter, James von Brunn, was a right-wing extremist. Their proof? He was a white supremacist. Disinformationists Dave Neiwert and Andy Ostroy were among those who offered no proof whatsoever that the holocaust museum shooter was a right-wing extremist and omitted information from reports that the shooter had left-wing ideologies.

Nowhere in Ostroy’s article entitled, "The Holocaust Museum Shooting: Another Right-Wing Psycho Turns to Murder. Maybe Now Conservatives Will Listen to Janet Napolitano" , does Ostroy prove von Brunn was a right-winger. As with nearly 100% of Ostroy’s articles (that the left wing blog The Huffington Post publishes with ease), he provides, no links, no sources, no researched references, no documented findings…..just his words.

Ostroy begins his article with mentioning other shootings that have occurred in the past three weeks. One in which involved a four man "terror cell" from the New York that the FBI arrested last month for planning to blow up a Jewish temple and shoot down military planes. What Ostroy conveniently leaves out is that these four men had been under FBI surveillance for over a year and that they were provocateured by an FBI informant who supplied the group with fake weapons, which led to their arrest. But Ostroy won’t stoop so low as to let facts get in the way of his ideological agenda of deifying Obama and anyone in his administration.

Ostroy loves to use quotes from the DHS report, but only when they are used to makes his points, despite the fact that the direct quotes he uses from the DHS report don’t prove his point.

Ostroy uses this quote:

"White supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy — separate from any formalized group — which hampers warning efforts." Nowhere in that quote is their any proof linking white supremacists with right-wing conservatives.

Here’s a quote from the same DHS report that Ostroy chose to not share with his brain dead readers:

"The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment."

"No specific information?" Then on what grounds is the entire report based on? "The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment?" How would they know this? What’s the precedent for this? There’s never been an African-American president before. Yet, there have been four presidents that have been assassinated and 13 attempted assassination attempts. Guess what? They were all white, yet there was never any such report issued from a government agency targeting specific individuals after the assassinations/attempts of our previous presidents....until now.

Ostroy also leaves out this quote from the DHS report:

"Threats from white supremacist and violent anti-government groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past."

I guess the phrase "…largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts" did not sit too well with Ostroy’s attack on right-wing "extremists". Isn’t it interesting that the quote mentions only right-wing extremists as ones who could be affected by unemployment, real estate foreclosures and the inability to obtain credit. No left-wing people lost their jobs or homes?

Dave Neiwert, on the other hand, when he isn’t trying to prove his points by linking to his own stories within his present story, he flat out lies by playing the ole ‘switcheroo’ in order to give credence to his points.

For years now, right wing conservatives like O’ Reilly, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck have dubbed people who believe in "conspiracy theories" as "far-left loons" and "kooky". But when people on the left, like Neiwert, want to distance themselves from people like von Brunn after the media reports that he believed in "anti-government conspiracy theories", what does Neiwert do? He simply plays ‘switcheroo’ and calls "conspiracy" people RIGHT wing! He writes:

"As I tried to explain in the case of the shooting of Dr. George Tiller, when you spread far-right conspiracy theories through mainstream channels the way Beck does with such abandon, it not only validates their beliefs, it rather hyper-validates them."

Ahhhh, I see. The right calls "conspiracy" people "left", and the left calls them "right". A prime example of how the false left/right paradigm is continually used to classify people into a particular group, when in reality, it’s not about left/right at all. It’s about individual people who hold some genuine left/right views [like how they feel about abortion or religion] who are angry about Constitutional violations of our government. Mix that anger in with a person’s mental instability and presto, you get your von Brunn’s.

The irony here, in the case of von Brunn, is that in acting out in such a violent way and committing murder, he becomes a part of [rather than the solution to] the social and governmental injustices and corruption that he claimed to be against.

One glaring omission in Ostroy and Neiwert’s articles is the fact that von Brunn was against several of the right-wing figures and establishments that they themselves have written very angry articles about (I would provide the actual angry articles, but since there are so many, for the sake of space, go to Neiwert's website here and Ostroy's website here and read them all. You will quickly discover after reading angry article after angry article from these two bloggers about right-wing figures and organizations, that if we are to accept their claim that angry rhetoric leads to violence and murder, then Neiwert and Ostroy themselves should turn into future 'lone wolf' gunman). People like both George Bush’s and John McCain were on von Brunn’s shitlist, as well as news outlets like FOX News were literally on von Brunn’s target list of places to attack. reported, "Law enforcement sources told WTTG/ that during a search of a car that is believed to belong von Brunn, investigators found a notebook with information about six to nine locations in the D.C. area, including the National Holocaust Museum. Other locations on the list included the U.S. Capitol, the White House, the Washington Post, and a FOX News location."

The fact that von Brunn apparently hated FOX News, neocons like both Bush’s and John McCain did not deter Ostroy and Neiwert from continually calling von Brunn a "right-wing extremist." So, a right-wing extremist would attack a right-wing news outlet like FOX news? A right-wing extremist hates right-wing politicians? What sense does that make? It makes NO sense. But, lies, spin and omission are no enemies to liberal propagandists like Ostroy and Neiwert.

One other major fact that Ostroy and Neiwert conveniently omit from their spin-ridden articles is that the DHS Right-wing extremism report was actually created during the Bush administration!

One can easily see for themselves when the DHS report was created by clicking the PDF link to the DHS Extremism Report, then after it is downloaded to desktop, right-click the icon and scroll down and click "properties", then click the PDF section. You should see this:

As one can plainly see in the PDF section of ‘properties’, this document was created January 23, 2007 and modified on April 7, 2009. In other words, created under the Bush administration and modified under the Obama administration. So, where do left-wingers like Ostroy get that we should have "listened to Janet Napolitano"? In January of 2007, she was still the Governor of Arizona. What in the hell did she have to do with this report? Where does the right-wing get that the DHS report was a creation of the Obama administration in order to target them?

My guess is that all of the right-wing talking heads like O' Reilly, Limbaugh, Hannity, Bill Bennett and Pat Robertson who threw a fit over the DHS report 2 months ago simply didn't do their research to find it was created in January of 2007. The right wanted to blame Napolitano and the left wanted the DHS report to be an Obama accomplishment. Both were wrong.

Writer Kurt Nimmo adds, "In other words, the document is not a reflection of the supposed sinister political coloration of the Obama administration, said by many "conservatives" to be socialist or Marxist. It is a document produced specifically as part of a larger effort to demonize and eliminate all opposition regardless of political persuasion."

Two other articles by Neiwert, here and here, in the past few days failed to link white supremacy or even holocaust denying to “right-wing extremism”. These two articles also, not-surprisingly, omit any mention that von Brunn hated neocons and FOX News and that the Bush administration created the DHS report. Amazing how someone can write so much and yet say so little.

Another tactic used by both the right and the left is to smear 9/11 truth activists by attempting to link them to people who commit violent acts or murder like von Brunn. It was reported shortly after the holocaust shooting that von Brunn was a “9/11 truther”. In an attempt to associate people who believe in government complicity in the events of 9/11 to lone wolf “nutballs” who go on shooting sprees, FOX News’ Glenn Beck said this just 2 days ago:

“Our country is now vulnerable…..those people who would like to destroy us — our enemies like Al Qaeda. They’d like to destroy us, and they will work with anyone. There are also people like white supremacists or 9/11 truthers that would also like to destroy the country. They’ll work with anybody they can.”

Yesterday, writer Kurt Nimmo said this, “In other words, the 9/11 truth movement, according to Beck, will work with al-Qaeda. If you read between the lines, Beck is calling for the government to dish out the same kind of violent response to the truth movement the CIA-created al-Qaeda received in Afghanistan or at Camp Gitmo. Beck is calling for murder and torture of people who disagree with the government.”

On October 22, 2007, Beck — then a host on Prime Time News — viciously attacked the 9/11 truth movement, describing the whole movement as “insane” and branding 9/11 activists as “dangerous anarchists.”

These truthers are exactly the kind of people who want to rock this nation’s foundation, tear us apart and plant the seeds of dissatisfaction in all of us” said Beck. He later said the 9/11 truth movement is “the kind of group a Timothy McVeigh would come from,” insinuating the movement is intent on violence.

The incredible irony of Beck’s statements is that it has been Beck himself that sided with the “conspiracy” people on many occasions on his show. Beck has claimed there are FEMA detention camps in the United States, has talked about Martial Law and seceding from the Union. Yet when it comes to questioning the government on 9/11, Beck chooses to buy the official version hook, line and sinker.

Many of Beck’s on-air ideological confessions have been warning signs that are listed in the DHS Right-wing extremism report. The DHS report does not name “9/11 conspiracy theorists” specifically, but rather lumps it into one central group, calling them “conspiracy theories characterizing the U.S. Government’s role as either complicit in a foreign invasion or acquiescing as part of a “One World Government”, but it does mention specifically the ideologies Beck has professed to believing. The DHS report warns against people who believe in:

“...conspiracy theories involving declarations of martial law, impending civil strife or racial conflict, suspension of the U.S. Constitution, and the creation of citizen detention camps often incorporate aspects of a failed economy.”

In other words, Beck himself is a right-wing extremist, but yet he attempts to fool his mush-brained audience into believing that there is huge leap in difference between the ideologies he professes and 9/11 truth. There’s not, of course. There’s only one conclusion Beck can come to: the DHS report is a made-up fairy tale that is used as a tool to target government dissention and has nothing to do with factual evidence that ideologies in and of itself lead to violence or murder.

Beck cannot say 9/11 truthers are dangerous and in the same breath say that he is not dangerous. The DHS report lumps us both together in their report. So, the DHS report is either 100% valid or 100% bullshit. He can’t have it both ways.

One blogger from PrisonPlanet, named “Storky”, wrote this:

“9/11 challengers are neither left nor right, they are merely suspicious of the myriad of inconsistencies and the speed with which the “crime scene” was cleaned up and the evidence disposed of.”
What I find amazing is that left-wingers like Neiwert and Ostroy continually call people like me "right-wing extremists" because I’m "paranoid" about things like a New World Order conspiracy, Obama taking away guns, the loss of liberty, an emerging police state and the threat of martial law at our doorstep at any given moment, yet the DHS report on "right-wing extremism" is littered with paranoia about the following classes of people:

*Disgruntled military veterans
*The unemployed
*Those who cannot get credit
*Those who have foreclosed on their homes
*"New World Order" ‘conspiracy theorists’
*White supremacists
*Those who see a threat to U.S. sovereignty
*Those who fear guns will be confiscated
*Those who fear a "one world government"
*Those who fear "citizen detention camps"
*Those who fear a complete economical collapse
*Those who fear the suspension of the U.S. Constitution
*Militia members
*Those who fear government inaction on illegal immigration
*Those who stockpile food and weapons
*Tax protestors

In other words, unless you accept everything the government spoon-feeds to you and follow and obey without one iota of dissent, you are a right-wing extremist. It never ever occurs to the left wing that there actually could be people in this country that are NOT violent or crazy who do not believe one fucking word our government tells them and who bases their views on documented evidence that many of the listed things above, like a coming New World Order [mentioned over 20 times at the G2 Summit] are actually happening. No one like this exists to Ostroy and Neiwert.

To them, you either love the government and think Obama is the best thing since Gandhi, or you want to kill everyone. There is no in between.

Let's make this clear. Not that I give a rats ass that anyone would call me a 'right-wing extremist', but let me share my personal views on the issues the DHS report mentions along with additional issues so my readers will clearly know my stances. My answers in below in burgandy.

Pro-choice or pro-life?

Do you believe in God?
(I am agnostic, which is the belief that God may or may not exist and even if he does, there's no way to prove it)

Do you believe in a 'New World Order'?
(It's not a belief. It's a fact. Many world leaders have talked about it openly---as recently as at the G2 Summit)

Do you believe 9/11 was an inside job?
(No. I know it was)

Do you think Obama plan is to take away our guns?
(I believe he is setting things in motion to. I'm not sure whether he will succeed)

Do you think the income tax is unconstitutional?
(I know it is)

Do you pay taxes anyway?

Do you believe there is a plan to merge Canada, the U.S. and Mexico?
(People have openly talked about it, so asking if I "believe" it is disingenuous. Whether it will be implemented is another story. There is already a European Union)

Do you think martial law will be declared?
(The stage is set for it. It could happen as easily as gas prices rising)

Are you a white supremacist?
(Hell no. This has always been silly to me, that grown men and women think one race is more supreme than others)

Did the holocaust happen?
(Of course it did)

Did 6 million die in the holocaust?
(How could anyone know that for sure? I'm convinced a very, very large number did. Until I see evidence otherwise, I'm sticking with 6 million. I'm also convinced that Hitler did not act alone. He had financial help from other countries including England and yes, the United States)

Worst President the United States ever had?
(George W. Bush, Abraham Lincoln a close 2nd)

Best President ever?
(Thomas Jefferson, John F. Kennedy)

How do you feel about illegal immigration?
(All illegal aliens should get the hell out...period. I am against work visas, sanctuary cities and against children living here who were born to illegal immigrants. If the parent never should have been here and is an illegal alien, then the child is illegal as well and both should go. Obviously, you can't seperate them so they would have to leave as a family. Bottom line: If you are not born in the United States or not born to a U.S. citizen, you are not a U.S. citizen and you need to get the hell out)

What is your view of gay marriage?
(I don't care if gay people marry, at all)

Are there FEMA detention camps in the United States?
(Yes. They have civil unrest exercises in America all the time. Readiness Exercise 84 [Rex 84] is the name of the plan to detain large numbers of citizens due to civil unrest. If they have exercises and the Rex 84 plan to detain people then they have to have the facilities for the detainees!)

I will add more questions as they come to me


rob said...

these guys are idiots larry. you hammered them again. good luck in destroying them again and again. you own them. usual biased reporting. thank you for your fair reporting larry.

Steve Jones said...

Good post. Just curious - why'd you pick Lincoln as 2nd worst president?

Real Truth Online said...

Goodness, where do I begin? I actually did a story on this on February 12. Here's the link

the_last_name_left said...

You *know* 911 was an "inside job"?


But you won't publish your proof? Else, where is it?

Without knowing it, you've just proven yourself an extremist: you *know* something without proof.......


the_last_name_left said...

You need "proof" white supremacists are "right-wing"?

Larry: Nowhere in that quote is their [sic] any proof linking white supremacists with right-wing conservatives.

You ignore the proof when it's given you, Larry.

You link to AmericanFreePress....operated by Willis Carto.

There's your proof, Larry.

Larry said...

LOL, oh brother. Then why didnt Ostroy and Neiwert mention Carto in their articles???? LOL

the_last_name_left said...

Neiwert has a lot of stuff about Willis Carto at Orcinus.

Maybe you should read it before linking to and thereby promoting Willis Carto and his AmericanFreePress?

If you need "proof" that white supremacists form part of the "far-right", then you're simply ignorant, Larry.

Do you ask for proof the sky is blue? That apples fall to the ground?

You are either ignorant, completely dishonest, or both.

Larry said...

If your "proof" about Willis Carto is anything like the bullshit spin and lies you provided bout 9-11, then Im REALLY not interested. Is your "prrof" on Carto just like your "proof" that the McCormick Center was a Universal collapse? WHICH IT WASNT. Is your "proof" on Carto like your "proof" tht the smoke CAME from WTC 7 and not 5 or 6?

So, in othr words, when I provide video evidence of my claims and you say its NOT proof, Im suppsed to accept just you SAYING it as "proof"???


Wheres the PROOF about Carto?? Just you SAYING it?

Larry said...

Youre a MORON. Yeah, the "PROOF" about Carto is EXACTLY the same as the sky being blue!! LOL. I guess THATS why you feel giving me evidence isnt required!!!

Youve had 250 views in 18 months-----people are really lining up to read your BULLSHIT huh?? LOL

the_last_name_left said... didn't address the point, Larry.

You link to Willis Carto's AmericanFreePress.

You appear to be unaware what it stands for.

You don't even know who runs it and what their agenda is.

Willis Carto runs it, Larry. You want "proof" of what Willis Carto is about? lol. Try google?

the_last_name_left said...

And he was a birther.

Just like you and Prisonplanet?

if authenticated would plunge the United States into a constitutional crisis and potentially herald a catastrophic loss of confidence in the legitimacy of the government.

Undermining legitimacy of government is far-right goal.

Historic example - Weimar.

the_last_name_left said...

Plus he had the same conception of the FedRes held by you, Alex Jones, Prisonplanet, and all the rest........

In 1981, he was arrested for attempting a "citizen's arrest" of Alan Greenspan at the Federal Reserve Building in D.C. and was sentenced to a prison term for it. Von Brunn claimed "sovereign citizenship" at the time, which almost certainly means he was an adherent of the white-supremacist/far-right movement called Posse Comitatus, and was acting on those beliefs.

More to the point, this is precisely the same belief system that today fuels the cottage industry in conspiracy theories -- promulgated by the likes of Ron Paul and Alex Jones -- that the Fed is part of a massive conspiracy of "international [read: Jewish] bankers" to enslave Americans and destroy the country

You link to americanfreepress.......willis carto's far-right populist "newspaper", alex jones....stop the NAU....freemasonry watch....illuminati....blah blah blah.

Anyone might think you had a personal interest in distancing Von Brunn from 911 conspiracy and trying to deflect concerns about fascism and the far-right in 911 conspiracy........

the_last_name_left said...

On your front page you link to

Christopher Bollyn........of americanfreepress/Willis Carto infamy.

All these links to people so closely asscoiated with the far-right, Larry.......

and yet you claim

Are you a white supremacist?
---(Hell no. This has always been silly to me, that grown men and women think one race is more supreme than others)

So you link to "silly" people, with "silly" views......?

And then claim they're not "far-right"?