Wednesday, May 20, 2009
Jesse Ventura on waterboarding: “I would prosecute the people who did it (and) ordered it, and they would ALL go to jail!”
Jesse Ventura destroys The View’s Elisabeth Hasselbeck and FOX and Friend’s Brian Kilmeade on torture. Hasselbeck only focuses on Pelosi, “forgetting” who ordered and carried out the torture while pussy boy Kilmeade walks off the set…..again
by Larry Simons
May 20, 2009
On Monday’s The View, former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura was on to discuss some of the latest hot topics. The subject immediately went to waterboarding. I knew immediately that Bush/Cheney apologist and neocon Elisabeth Hasselbeck would make a complete fool out of herself, as she always does, by simply opening her mouth. That did not take long, and as I watched, I knew Ventura would annihilate her on the subject. Not to minimize Ventura’s performance, but winning a debate with Hasselbeck is not exactly a difficult task.
Hasselbeck immediately began the discussion with a deceptive statement. She says (to Ventura), “I know your mind is pretty made up about waterboarding, correct?” Hasselbeck is attempting to set the stage for the discussion on waterboarding under the premise that the waterboarding issue is subject to one’s opinion. Whether Ventura realized her tactic or not, he immediately put that issue to rest when he told Hasselbeck that he was waterboarded himself at the SERE school (prior to his Navy Seal training) and exclaimed, “..Yes, we were all waterboarded there and yes, it is torture.”
Hasselbeck, seemingly forgetting that Bush and Cheney were the ones running the country for the past 8 years and the fact that Cheney himself has admitted to ordering torture, sticks to the latest GOP talking points by asking Ventura about the one person who Hasselbeck obviously believes had power over Bush and Cheney: Nancy Pelosi.
Ventura responds brilliantly by simply telling Hasselbeck that if we had followed the rule of law to begin with and not tortured anyone, “none of this would be a controversy, would it?” Then Ventura says, “If you’re going to be a country that follows the rule of law, which we are, torture is illegal.”
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Hasselbeck then continued to condone torture by claiming that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind behind 9/11, was waterboarded and then began to talk. Ventura and the other women on the panel disagreed and said KSM cooperated before waterboarding was used. The point that Hasselbeck does not seem to grasp is, whether waterboarding works or whether it does not, it’s illegal.
Recently I saw Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley on one of the political news programs give a brilliant analogy for torture apologists who suggest that ‘if waterboarding works, it’s OK’. Turley said, “If you rob a bank and you do good things with the money like feed the poor, etc.., you STILL broke the law by robbing the bank.” Hasselbeck refuses to grasp this concept.
Ventura brings up a very interesting point when he asks Hasselbeck, “If waterboarding is OK, why didn’t we waterboard McVeigh and Nichols, the Oklahoma City bombers, to find out if there were more people involved?” Ventura then says, “We only seem to waterboard Muslims”.
Hasselbeck then says to Ventura, “That’s an extreme statement (inaudible)..” Ventura responds by saying, “Have we waterboarded anyone else? Name me someone else we’ve waterboarded.”
Then, Hasselbeck, in her panic (because she is being destroyed by Ventura), reverts back to Pelosi, “I’m concerned right now about Nancy Pelosi, who was supposedly briefed..(inaudible)”. The rest of the panel is shouting out, “she lied”. Ventura says, “They want her out now because she lied. Why didn’t they ask for Bush and Cheney to go out when they lied about why we went into Iraq?” This was followed by thunderous applause from the audience.
Then Ventura makes a statement that I have been saying for years now; “Nothing’s going to happen because they’re all involved. The Dems and Repubs are both involved, that’s why President Obama is backing off from it, and they’re not going to do it now.” Ventura then makes a very powerful statement by exclaiming, “It’s a good thing I’m not the President. I’m an Independent. Because I would prosecute the people who did it. I would prosecute the people who ordered it, and they would all go to jail!”
Hasselbeck then makes the most ridiculous statement of the segment when she says, “Torture is wrong, but enhanced interrogation techniques are different.” Ventura says, “Enhanced interrogation is Dick Cheney changing a word. Dick Cheney comes up with a new word to cover his ass!” Here is Jonathan Turley plainly saying that Cheney is guilty of a war crime on Countdown.
Hasselbeck is a FOX News, right wing, neocon hack. Apparently, she sits in front of TV set and watches FOX News most of her day and simply parrots what she hears without forming one independent thought, without investigating this country’s laws or reading one word of our own Constitution. She’s a pea-brained, shit stain who gives a brand new meaning to the term “dumb blonde”.
Tuesday morning on FOX and Friends, Ventura’s nemesis this time was neocon sissy boy Brian Kilmeade. Much of the point by point chatter was similar to the Hasselbeck feud, but Kilmeade brought up different, yet old, tiresome talking points in defending torture, like “Do you want to stop the next attack?” Ventura responds the exact same way I would have, “Don’t come after me with that nonsense.” Kilmeade asks what’s nonsense about it and Ventura responds, “If you torture someone, what you get is bologna.”
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Kilmeade says, “It turns out the C.I.A. feels differently than you do.” Again, Kilmeade is using the Hasselbeck tactic, trying to establish that the issue of torture is subject to ones opinion, and not established laws. Who gives a flying fuck what the C.I.A. thinks? If they approved of torture, they’re wrong. Period. It is not subject to opinion. It does not matter what you feel. It is against the law, period.
The shit really hits the fan when Ventura asks if Kilmeade has been waterboarded. Kilmeade says, “Do you want me to?” Ventura says, “Yeah, get waterboarded, then we’ll ask you.” Then Kilmeade, like Hasselbeck, in his panic, resorts to the “they are evil, we are good” tactic when he says, “These are the people that cut off Danny Pearl’s head and you’re worried about their welfare?” Ventura says, “No, I’m not worried about their welfare. I’m worried about what our country stands for.” Then, amid the heated exchanges and crosstalk, Ventura asks why Kilmeade has not enlisted. Kilmeade says, “You want me to enlist? You don’t like our armed forces?”
Yeah, Brain, he doesn’t like our military. That’s why he served and you sit on your skinny pussy boy ass everyday from a nice cushy air conditioned studio and “pull” for our troops. If you was truly cheering America on, you would want this illegal, immoral war (based on lies, which has been proven repeatedly) to end!
After a commercial break, Kilmeade begins to personally attack Ventura by bringing up the fact that Ventura has previously questioned the government’s official story of 9/11. This was obviously done to attempt to discredit Ventura’s credibility on the other issues that Kilmeade was being schooled on.
Ventura has never actually came out and professed to believe that 9/11 was an inside job. He has simply asked questions about why he believes the official story is complete bullshit (and it is).
Ventura responds to Kilmeade’s attacks by mentioning that the Vietnam war was started over a now admitted false flag incident at the Gulf of Tonkin, and incident which, in fact, never actually did happen. Ventura was making the point that the United States has a long history of lying in order to get us involved in war.
After running out of steam, Kilmeade claims “I gotta go to radio”, and walks off the set. Seems pussy boy Kilmeade has a habit of walking off sets when his wittle feelwings have been huwrt. Awwww, poor baby. Ventura continues to talk to Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson about 9/11 and about how when you simply mention 9/11 and discuss it or question the official story, you are demonized, attacked (as Kilmeade just demonstrated) and called un-American.
Two corporate-controlled neocon shills defeated within a 30-hour period. I want a Jesse Ventura talk show! To watch this every day would be music to my ears.