Friday, April 10, 2009
Christopher Hitchens schools disinformationist and moron Ken Blackwell on the fact that our founding fathers were not Christians
Blackwell spews the traditional false information on our founders; Hitchens gives him a fact-beatdown
by Larry Simons
April 10, 2009
On Wednesday’s Hardball with Chris Matthews, fill-in host Mike Barnicle read a few poll questions that were conducted by Newsweek. Some of the questions were, “Is the U.S. a Christian nation?” and “Is religion increasing or losing its influence on American life?” He welcomed author and Vanity Fare columnist Christopher Hitchens and Ken Blackwell from the Family Research Council. Barnicle asks Hitchens, “What does it mean, if anything, when people refer to the United States of America as a ‘Christian nation’?”
Brilliantly, Hitchens responds, “It‘s literally a meaningless statement. I mean, the Constitution quite deliberately forbids all mention of God—well, I should say omits all mention of God—let alone of Jesus, and though the Declaration of Independence mentions the creator, it specifically doesn‘t say that this creator intervenes. Most of the people who wrote the Declaration were deists, not theists.
It‘s true to say the majority of believers in America are Christian, but that‘s a banal fact. Many of them, I know from going and debating with them on my book tour, when you go to their churches, are full themselves of doubt. In other words, people who‘ve responded saying they‘re Christian are very full of doubt and skepticism.”
Barnicle asks Blackwell, “Do you doubt at all that this is a Christian nation?”
Blackwell responds, “No, I really don‘t doubt that. The—if you look at the precepts that the—the foundation it‘s built on, it is a nation that does not have a naked public square but one that is built on a moral foundation.”
Hitchens interjects, “Doesn’t make it Christian.”
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Exactly. A moral foundation is not synonymous with “Christian”. Even a reference to a creator is not synonymous with “Christian”, and this is what Blackwell fails miserably to comprehend (and what Hitchens understands completely and accurately) throughout the entire segment.
Blackwell then says, “…it is just flat-out nonsense to suggest that this country was built on anything other than an understanding of Judeo-Christian principles and precepts that give us the moral foundation that allows free market enterprise and the primacy of the individual in our political system, not the primacy of the state.” Hitchens adds, “You can search in vain through the First Amendment to the Constitution to find any such reference. Or you could—why don‘t you try checking out…Thomas Jefferson‘s version of the New Testament, for example, where he cuts out—cuts out all references to the divinity of Jesus?”
The Bible that Hitchens is referring to is called The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth or The Jefferson Bible. Jefferson’s purpose in writing this version was to extract the doctrine of Jesus by omitting the portions of the New Testament that contained anything involving supernatural events (in other words, miracles and Jesus’ deity) and what he believed to be misinterpretations of the four gospel writers.
Absent from Jefferson’s Bible are the following: Angels, genealogy, prophecy, miracles, the trinity, the divinity of Jesus and the resurrection of Christ. Many Christians will admit that the very foundation of Christianity is the resurrection and without it, the Christian faith crumbles. Yet, Jefferson’s bible excluded the resurrection and Blackwell would have us all believe that Thomas Jefferson (as well as most of the other founders) believed in Judeo-Christian principles?
Sorry to say that to this day many Americans are allowing themselves to be fooled by believing this country was founded on a Judeo-Christian foundation, when in reality, that is almost 100% false.
Many of our founders, including Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Franklin and Thomas Paine did not believe or accept the most basic of Christian beliefs such as communion, Jesus’ divinity, the resurrection and miracles. How can anyone call people “Christians” who do not accept the aforementioned basic beliefs? Our founders were Deists, Unitarians (very close to Deism) or Freemasons. All of them believed in God, or a god, but to use the title “Christian” or “Judeo-Christian” is an all out attempt to lie to oneself.
Blackwell then asks Hitchens, “do you think that the founders and the Pilgrims were not Christians?” Hitchens replies, “The pilgrims were Christians.” Blackwell knows he’s losing this debate miserably when he attempts to lump in the pilgrims with the founders, but Hitchens would have no part in his spin when he says, “No, no, the Pilgrims—the Pilgrims are not the founders, my dear sir.”
Blackwell flat out lies when he says, “But I will abandon a historical--I will not historical-- abandon a historical fact, and that is that this country is built on a moral foundation that is framed by Judeo-Christian principles.” Well, Blackwell did abandon historical fact, as well as his credibility and sanity.
Hitchens brilliantly sums up the debate with this statement, “The United States of America‘s founding documents are secular. If you --if you don‘t know that, you don‘t know anything.”
Hitchens kicked Blackwell’s lying, fraudulent ass and I loved every minute of it. I’m sick and tired of morons in this country believing something just because it has been indoctrinated into their brains. When referring to the founding fathers and religion in the same breath, you can use words like “god”, “religion”, “morals”, “faith” and "creator", but you cannot use the word “Christian” unless you like telling lies to yourself.
Therein lies the problem. That’s what many people do. Not just in America, but in life, when they want to believe something. They will just ignore facts and tell themselves what they want to believe is true. It’s easier. It’s comforting. It’s safer.
For some people.