Snatches victory from Billo the Clown!
by Larry Simons
December 6, 2008
I am proud to announce that RTO’s first ever Fraud of the Year Award goes to conservative minister David H. Willis. Willis and Bill O’ Reilly were the frontrunners, but Dave wins with a whopping 36% of the vote. A part of me is sad that O’ Reilly didn’t win, because I’ve done many, many stories on how big of a fraud Billo is, but maybe when you read why Willis won, you’ll agree.
Visitors of my site may not know who David Willis is. I actually met Dave when I attended Bible College in the late 80’s. Yes, that’s right, I once believed in talking snakes and a 500 year-old man who built a boat the size of the Titanic all by himself.
Since then, I’ve changed into a person whom many of my religious friends from yesteryear would deem “radical”, or even “of the devil”. I now form my own opinions, think and use rational thought. I have become honest with myself and have simply stated that “I don’t know” if the Bible is true. This is called agnosticism; the belief that God may or may not exist and that even if he does exist, it can never be proven. How dare me to demand proof.
Now, where does this tie into Dave Willis? About a year ago, I stumbled upon Dave’s website, “Watcha Talkin’ Bout Willis”. It’s a website of brainfarts, occasional political commentary and Bible discussion. The general overview of the site is perfectly represented by the disembodied head of Gary Coleman in its logo. What I also found interesting is that his website boasts “I enjoy political & sports talk radio and I'm all about the truth.”
I first noticed that Dave, like me, is a big Ron Paul supporter, which shocked me because I thought most, if not all, religious people supported (and were fooled by) the vast smorgasbord of neo-conservatives that permeate Washington and in particular, the Bush administration. I thought, “wow, Dave’s not one of the sheep!” It wasn’t long before I realized this was a premature thought.
One day, I stuck my nose into a heated debate between him and another blogger. This is what led to a huge discussion about the war in Iraq, and more importantly, the event in which we were all lied to by Bush as to what caused the war…9/11. This is when I found out that when it came to 9/11, Dave “I’m all about the truth” Willis was in lock step with the government’s conspiracy theory of 9/11.
What is incredible about Dave's disdain about the truth of 9/11 is the fact that just 7 months prior to this (when I first discovered his site) Dave said this to me (the highlighted parts are most puzzling), "'Hey bro. I'm about truth - the real truth, so I weigh everything based whether it is true or not. I can't stand when people are afraid to examine an issue to see if they've sold a bunch of...I recently discovered Alex Jones. Whenever I hear the "mainstreamers" dismiss him it makes all the more interested in what he has to say. When I hear an outcry against people being lunatics, etc. it usually sparks my curiosity. A lot of my church friends walk in lock step with the republicans like thry're the apostles or something! I love telling folks I support Ron Paul. You well know the expressions I get in return. If the "ol' boys" club can run a town, why can't they run bigger entities? Hmmm.I believe in freedom of speech and truth, so, like I said, I'll be back with an open mind." Hmmmm. My oh my, how things change.
What I find interesting is that when I first discovered Dave's site and he revealed to me the above post, he had not yet known about how I felt about religion (me being agnostic). It wasn't until I began saying religious people were "nutballs" that Dave began his anti-9/11 truth, anti-Alex Jones crusade. Awwwww, did I hurt Dave's wittle feelwings? Awwww, poor baby. So, it makes one wonder: Does Dave believe in the 9/11 truth movement and have a personal vendetta against me? Or does he not believe in it and lied to me in the above February 2008 post? A church person lying....what a shock.
From the day I began posting my political comments on September 10, 2008, until the day I was being deleted on a regular basis and ultimately banned due to Dave’s Gestapo-like tactics by enabling comment moderation...ending free speech on his site (although he claimed on the Sept. 10 thread, “You know how most people will react to what you've written. I'll leave it up to my readers to form their own views, but thanks for stopping in. I'll probably get beat up a little too, but this is a free speech zone and I've never deleted a comment”) I was destroying everyone with fact after fact after fact with virtually no personal opinions cited.
My arsenal was a barrage of names, dates, links, sources, video clips and quotes-----none of which were ever challenged with anything even resembling a logical debate or researched fact. I would ask questions over and over only to be ignored over and over. I challenged Dave countless times to public debates even telling him he could bring any tool he chose…books, newspapers, DVD’s, anything, and I would bring nothing but just the info in my head and still win. I was ignored repeatedly.
Instead, Dave responded the only way he knew how. Panic. Panic led Dave to simply type the words “debunk 9/11 theories” into the search bar and whatever popped up, he blindly copied and pasted the links into our discussions on the thread and would disguise it as an investigation. Dave’s 20-second research led him to the biggest proponents of yellow journalism on the planet….Popular Mechanics. A magazine whose research editor, Davin Coburn, claimed during a radio interview in 2006 with Arizona talk radio host, Charles Goyette, that DNA evidence of the hijackers had been recovered from the rubble at ground zero. A feat (pointed out by Goyette) that would be impossible unless there was DNA previously obtained (prior to the hijackings) in which to match the ground zero DNA.
I almost felt sorry for Dave “I’m all about the truth” Willis. He had no clue these imbeciles (at PM) had already been debunked. He would post audio clips (from YouTube) of Popular Mechanics' Editor-in-chief James Meigs (a man just 4 years prior to becoming EIC of PM, was making Oscar predictions for Premiere Magazine). The very makers of the audio/video clip didn’t even research enough to spell Meigs’ name correct in the clip. They spelled his last name “Miggs”. See here.
During the course of our “debating”, Dave admitted researching 9/11 was not a priority to him by saying, “Why don't I read the books you've suggested? Because I have other priorities. I am not consumed like you are.” Yet, Dave had plenty of time to do more 'in-depth' social commentary, like when we should and shouldn't use windshield wiper fluid.
Therein lies his contradiction. He says that investigating 9/11 is “not a priority”, but yet he knows more about the intricate details about 9/11 than I did (and I’ve done 4 years of extensive research on the subject, even studying the views of the advocates of the official conspiracy theory)?
This is why when he would send me clips or links in an attempt to 'debunk' my views, I knew more information about his own sources than he did! Like the spelling of Meigs’ last name and one link he sent me from Skeptic.com founder Michael Shermer, in which I informed Dave “all about the truth” Willis that Shermer did a segment on the Penn and Teller show “Bullshit!” a few years back in which he denounced the validity of the Bible.
What was ironic about this was, one of the top 9/11 sources I used repeatedly was the brilliant David Ray Griffin (who just happens to be a retired theology professor). Here I am, the agnostic, praising Christian David Ray Griffin’s works on 9/11 and there was Dave, the Christian, using as his source (to attempt to ‘debunk’ me) Bible-trasher Michael Shermer! The true sign that Dave "I'm all about the truth" Willis did ZERO research!
During our entire “debate” on 9/11, all Dave did was cite debunked “experts”, give BAD analogies for his points, deflect and ignore 90% of my points and dish out ad hominem attack after ad hominem attack. Just look at our threads. I completely school him repeatedly here and here.
And when Dave “all about the truth” Willis finally banned me, he resorted to the only tactic left in his arsenal…to mock me and liken the 9/11 cover-up to Bigfoot and aliens, despite the fact that he believes in talking snakes, talking donkeys, a man living 3 days inside of a big fish and a 500 year old man building a Titanic-sized boat by himself.
I told Dave that one doesn’t have to agree with my views to be considered rational. It’s all in the debating technique you use. Dave resorted to the old, tiresome ignore/deflect/dodge and ad hominem attack method and uses the term “conspiracy theorist” in the pejorative sense, when in reality, the official account of 9/11 best fits the description of a conspiracy theory in the pejorative sense.
What is interesting is that of the 5 nominees for FOTY, the only one who is NOT a neocon is Dave Willis, yet he won the award. Why did he get the most votes? I believe that although O’ Reilly, Limbaugh, McCain and Hannity are far worse in their ideologies, you have to understand that they are controlled puppets who are paid to ignore important issues and whose jobs will be in jeopardy if they dare speak in any manner that is not in lock step with their puppeteers. So, it’s really not unexpected of them to be complete dicks---they’re controlled.
Willis, on the other hand, is not in the media. He is free to have an independent thought. Or is he? Let’s keep in mind, he works in a church. His strings are being pulled too and he has no choice but to do the same thing the aforementioned puppets do.....comply . In fact, he even ADMITTED to me that if he spoke about a 9/11 cover-up in his church, he’d get fired. (see below)
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The difference between Willis and the other neocon goons is that Dave, being the “Christian”, is supposed to be a zealot for truth, no matter what that truth is. He’s in a business (and that’s what church is, a business) where speaking about controversy is in the job description. Like the media, he’s a salesman. He’s selling God. God is supposed to be the ultimate truth. If God were giving Willis enlightenment as a reward for Willis’ faithfulness, why wouldn’t he see the real truth of 9/11? I will tell you why. Because of the 5 characteristics that writer Douglas Herman said were the 5 reasons why people don’t accept that 9/11 was an inside job:
Herman writes of people just like David H. Willis when he says, "Why would any self-satisfied comfortable person want to discomfort themselves? The whole purpose of a comfortable person is to acquire more comfort or to ensure a perpetual state of comfort. Why would comfortable people, contented with their place in the world — a comfortable home, a well-paid job, respect within their community — want to upset that equilibrium? Why would any comfortable person question his government about circumstances he cannot control? Why risk discomfort, disapproval, suspension from work and community scorn simply to question something like 911 that cannot be changed? To a comfortable person, that makes no sense at all."
There’s something more sinister about a person who should be the very epitome of truthseeking (although they claim they are) yet completely ignores and ridicules something so obvious in which the evidence for it’s existence couldn’t be more obvious if it was being jammed up their ass. Also, it also has to do with the method of debating, as I mentioned. You've already lost the debate when you ignore documented facts and begin using references to Bigfoot and aliens. NY Times writer Paul Krugman puts it best when he says:
“The truth is that many of the people who throw around terms like “loopy conspiracy theories” are lazy bullies who [as one observer put it] want to “confer instant illegitimacy on any argument with which they disagree.” Instead of facing up to hard questions, they try to suggest that anyone who asks those questions is crazy.”
Well said Paul.