Wednesday, May 16, 2007

Ron Paul beats Giuliani in FOX News poll despite Giuliani’s total misinterpretation of Paul’s comments surrounding foreign policy


Giuliani seizes another “I was there and survived 9/11” moment by attacking Ron Paul’s CLEAR foreign policy statement which Giuliani clearly misunderstood; Paul beats Giuliani in polls 25 % --- 19 %

by Larry Simons
May 16, 2007

I don’t think anyone can doubt it was the highlight of tonight’s GOP debate. Giuliani, in typical “I was Mayor during 9/11 and survived” fashion decided to seize a golden opportunity to gain more 9/11 brownie points by attacking Congressman Ron Paul when Paul was asked by a moderator if 9/11 had changed the American foreign policy model to interventionism. Paul answered that it was our pre-9/11 policy of interventionism that was to blame for the hatred of the United States by other countries, namely Iraq.

Somewhere in Ron Paul’s answer, Giuliani must have heard the words “The United States caused 9/11”. Although I personally believe that elements of our government orchestrated 9/11, this is NOT what Ron Paul was saying. Paul was simply and clearly saying that our interventions and flawed foreign policy has brought about a degree of hatred toward the United States from other countries.



“They attack us because we've been over there. We've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. ... We've been in the Middle East," Paul said in explaining his opposition to going to war in Iraq. "Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. "They are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said, 'I'm glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.' They have already now since that time they've killed 3,400 of our men and I don't think it was necessary," he continued.

Giuliani couldn’t resist but to jump in and ask the moderator if he could respond. “That's really an extraordinary statement," he said, interrupting FOX News panelist Wendell Goler. "That's really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11. I would ask the congressman withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that." At this point, the audience applauded.

Paul did not give in to the 9/11-evoking Giuliani but stood firm in his position by stating, “I believe very sincerely that the CIA is correct when they teach and they talk about blowback. When we went into Iran in 1953 and installed the Shah, yes, there was blowback. The reaction to that was the taking of our hostages, and that persists, and if we ignore that, we ignore that at our own risk—that if we think we can do what we want around the world and not incite hatred, then we have a problem. They don’t come here to attack us because we’re rich and we’re free. They attack us because we’re over there. I mean, what would we think if other foreign countries were doing that to us?” At this point, Giuliani wanted to jump in again, but the moderator ended the subject and re-directed to McCain with another question.

Giuliani is just another Neo-con- talking point loving, 9/11-evoking asshole. (Sorry, couldn’t think of a better word). Giuliani is living in the exact same delusional state that Bush lives in: the delusion that other countries “hate us for our freedoms”. Foreign countries have never hated the United States more at any time in the history of the world as they do right NOW, and we are not being attacked. Other countries attack us for what we do, not for who we are. They hate us for coming THERE to THEIR countries and unjustly attacking them. Ron Paul is EXACTLY right. That’s why, despite the thunderous applause for Giuliani after his “How dare you say America EVER does wrong!” comment (at least, that was my interpretation of it) by the partisan, pre-selected, senior-citizen audience, Ron Paul leads him in the FOX poll. Ron Paul even making the top 3 on a FOX News poll is a monumental accomplishment, especially when the voting period only lasted 3 hours and no Internet voting was allowed (no doubt because Ron Paul has an enormous Internet following).

FOX News' website said they received more than 40,000 votes (by text messaging). Ron Paul led the poll the majority of the voting period, getting as high as 30%. As the polling time neared its end, Paul's numbers slowly went down as Romney's went up. Paul went from 30%, then to 27%, then to 26%, finally finishing at 25%. Romney went from 26% to 29%, while at the same time Ron Paul moved from 30% to 25% in about a 20 minute period. One has to wonder if FOX News was manipulating these poll numbers to move Romney higher to win the debate, since it would be near impossible for percentages to rise 3 points for Romney and fall 5 points for Ron Paul in just a matter of 20 minutes.

When MSNBC conducted their poll 2 weeks ago after the first GOP debate, I remember checking the poll daily to see where Ron Paul had climbed (or fallen). Every time I checked, the numbers of voters increased by 3 or 4 thousand votes (and this was DAILY) and percentage points only increased or fell by 1 point at the most. Are we to believe that in just 20 minutes the FOX poll rose/fell 3-5 percentage points for Romney and Paul respectively? These high increases and decreases in percentage points would have required 15,000- 20,000 voters in just the last 20 minutes of the poll. Are we to believe this is what really happened?

After the debate, Ron Paul sat and chatted with Hannity & Colmes. Sean "King of the Neo-cons" Hannity, went at it with Paul over the same issue that Giuliani raised. Hannity has always been a “America NEVER does wrong” far-right lunatic. In typical Hannity fashion, he asked a question (to Paul), “Are you suggesting the USA caused the attack on 9/11?” and gave him 5 seconds to answer, then interrupted Paul by continually talking over him by repeating the same old talking points typical of a far-right Neo-con nutball. Hannity then talks about Saddam gassing his own people and how could we as Americans allow that to happen? Paul brilliantly responds toward the end of the segment, “we gave him the gas!!”. Excellent Ron!



Polls on ABC and MSNBC show Ron Paul annihilating the rest of the pack:



1 comment:

rob said...

well, well, well. another total victory by ron paul...... the only people staying with these other a hole runners are people who dont know any better. the truth is like light and when the light shines the buggs scatter. ron pauls the light and the others scatter. they hide his numbers and challenge him every time they can to put him down, that just proves were right...real truth these guys that post there bull shit on here have chosen the bugs instead of the truth, and when their guy gets in they deserve every thing they get from their govt. hands down. but theyll blame people like us because we didnt warn them.... i say fuck them.