O' Liar and Geraldo go at it over drunk driving illegal alien who kills girl in Virginia
by Larry Simons
April 6, 2007
If you tuned into The O' Reilly Factor at 10 minutes after the hour last night, then you had already missed the heated exchange between O' Liar and Geraldo over an illegal alien who killed a girl in Virginia because he was driving drunk.
I'm so torn over this particular segment that my head is spinning. Billo shouted so violently at Geraldo I thought he was either going to give Geraldo his second broken nose in his journalistic career, or that the steam from his ears were going to form two fists and choke Geraldo. As this mindblowing debate unfolded, I found myself beginning to have an extreme nauseating feeling deep in my gut because I was actually on Billo's side!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As the debate went on, I started to see Geraldo's point, then Billo's again. I haven't seen such head-turning volleys since the great matches between John McEnroe and Bjorn Borg in the early 80's! I agreed with Billo (did I just say that?) on his stance that this man should NOT have been in this country. Geraldo agreed with that too, but said the man, although had been in trouble with the law previously, had committed no crimes and that everyone from the Governor to the Mayor had followed the law.
Billo disagreed and argued that the man should have been deported the FIRST time he was in trouble with the law. Geraldo argued that Billo was only interested in this story because it involved an illegal alien, not because of the tragic death of a young girl. Geraldo pointed out there were 347 drunk driving deaths in 2005, and said to Billo, "Do we care about them?" Then Geraldo accused Billo of taking this tragedy and turning it into a "cheap political point".
GERALDO: "Cool your jets! It has nothing to do with illegal aliens…it has to do with drunk driving! Don't obscure a tragedy to make a cheap political point. It is a cheap political point and you know it!!"
Ok, here's my 2 cents about this: Both Billo and Geraldo are right, but for different reasons. Billo is absolutely correct in the fact that this man should have never been in this country, and maybe the girl would still be alive. I disagree with Geraldo that this has NOTHING to do with illegal aliens.......sure it does. I'd be lying if my own daughter was killed by an illegal alien and I said this was JUST about drunk driving. I'd be asking myself, "Would she still be here if someone would have deported the driver?" The answer is.....yes. But, would she be here tomorrow, or the next day or the next and not taken early by someone else? No one knows.
Would I be happier if my daughter was killed by a legal citizen? Of course not. But my anger would be increased if I knew the driver was someone who never should have been here. But that brings to life another issue. Are we going to start determining what is tragic and what is not by the "never should have happened" factor? We could say "the man should have never been here to commit the crime"....TRUE. We could also say the convict released from prison early "he never should have been released", and on and on. There's many "what if's" and "never should have been's" in every case. Is Geraldo right when he says Billo is making a cheap political point? To the extent that the girls' death is being overshadowed by the fact that it was an illegal alien involved?.....yes
The fact is, illegal immigration IS a political issue, like it or not. To me, O' Reilly seems to be very against illegal immigration and Geraldo seems to be taking the Bush mentality toward it. Geraldo seems to be fooled in that he says Bush is working toward "reasoned immigration reform". No he's not. Bush doesn't give a 2-cent shit about illegal aliens and I personally believe he is among the culprits in orchestrating a North American union. I believe we will be without borders in North America in the next 10 years....if that. O' Reilly actually seems to be on the RIGHT side on this issue. (God I hope that is the LAST time I ever say that in my life).
Tessa Tranchant and Allison Kuhnhardt's parents want the arguing to stop. They said this national debate over illegal immigration is out of hand and they desperately want this time to grieve.
Colette Tranchant, Tessa's mother, said, "It just saddens me that people take this to a different level."
Friday, Colette and Alison's Father, David, wanted to calm the firestorm, saying they don't blame Virginia Beach for not sending Ramos to federal authorities after police arrested him for public intoxication.
"There's a media circus right now and everyone has their opinion, but the fact is our kids were killed," said Colette, "Right now we need time to grieve, we need time to figure this out and we would like laws enforced."
Comment: It seems that the families don't blame authorities for the illegal alien being here, they just want time to grieve, which is very understandable--and that is the part of the argument I agreed with Geraldo over. One thing seems confusing to me. They say "we would like laws enforced", but yet say they don't blame Virginia Beach for not sending Ramos to federal authorities for public intoxication. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't sending Ramos to federal authorities have been "enforcing the laws"?