Friday, March 23, 2007

Fox Bully O'Reilly Says "Loose Change" Will Destroy Sheen

3rd grade level ad hominem hit pieces can't even pin down basic facts

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
March 23, 2007

Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor featured a segment last night in which TV bully Bill O'Reilly warned Charlie Sheen that narrating Loose Change would destroy his career, amidst a cacophony of slurs, smears and Holocaust jibes, characterized by this and other hit pieces that carried all the weight of a third grader's scribbled essay paper and couldn't even pin down basic facts.

Fox featured three talking heads who all agreed with each other - O'Reilly, whitewash aficionado Gerald Posner and a barely comprehensible New York detective called Bo Dietl - this from the network that likes to call itself "fair and balanced."

Watch the video below.

Posner, a former Al Gore devotee who drank the 9/11 kool aid and immediately pledged his allegiance to Bush following the attacks, opens up by throwing in the obligatory "Holocaust denial" smear. Posner couldn't stumble over his words quickly enough to get that one in and it's somewhat pathetic to witness his ignorance of the fact that calling the other side of the argument Nazis isn't a credible debating tool anymore (not that there was anyone on the other side of the debate to rebut him). Posner's zeal on writing books insisting that no political conspiracies have ever happened, that Oswald acted alone, James Earl Ray killed Martin Luther King (despite the fact he later denied it) and 9/11 was all a result of incompetence, portray a figure who is either on the payroll or has some morbid obsession with propping up government propaganda that an ever-dwindling amount of people are buying.

Polls consistently show that 90% or more believe other parties were involved in the JFK assassination so it seems the more extreme Posner has to go in smearing those who disagree with him as Holocaust deniers, the more people see through his baseless bullshit. The Holocaust card doesn't work anymore Posner, you're wasting your time. Posner is quite clearly ruffled that billionaire Mark Cuban is set to throw his weight behind Loose Change and labels it a "disgrace," without explaining why a position that 84% of the country and most of the 9/11 family members now take is a disgrace.

Bo Dietl then proceeds to give us a lecture on how the WTC towers melted and fell down like potato chips, a thoroughly scientific analysis I think we can all agree. Dietl fails to inform us of how jet fuel, which burns at 1800 degrees Fahrenheit, melted steel which melts at 2700 degrees Fahrenheit. He then echoes the familiar yarn "but what about the victims." Ah yes the victims, over half of which according to Bill Doyle, the representative of the largest 9/11 victims group, have grave questions about 9/11. How about those victims of a cover-up in the very hours after 9/11 who were told that the air was safe to breathe and are now dying en masse as a result of trusting the government?

Dietl then stumbles into an attempt to explain the collapse of Building 7 at which point he is abruptly cut off by O'Reilly, who parrots the emotional rhetoric about asking questions being insulting to the victims, before cutting off Dietl again when he mentions the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993. "Don't confuse anybody with facts," states O'Reilly! Exactly right Bill, because you wouldn't want anybody to find out that the FBI gave the terrorists the bomb material to attack the towers in '93 now would you?

Posner then returns to charge that 9/11 truthers make up facts, without being able to cite any examples, and then backtracks to the comfort of his Holocaust denial slur, stereotyping 9/11 truth films as "propaganda as good as anything the Third Reich turned out." Posner's one trick pony show and ad hominem "they're all Nazis" nonsense is truly laughable and in fact lends our side of the argument more credence because it exposes him as the exact thing he accuses others of being, a propagandist, in that his hyperbole of tossing out buzzwords like "Holocaust denial" appeals to the emotional reactionary human psyche and not to reasoned, sober and factual analysis. "I just don't get the hatred for the country," O'Reilly chimes in, which as everyone knows is yet another cheap pot shot that lost all its persuasive impact years ago. O'Reilly thinks he can still delude people into thinking that questioning your government equates to hating your country. O'Reilly and Dietl end by warning Sheen that he's "not gonna come back from this," insinuating that his narration of the Loose Change final cut will end his career because O'Reilly "knows the country."

Sheen more successful and popular than ever
As usual, the exact opposite is true. The success of Sheen's sitcom Two and a Half Men has only increased in the year since he went public on 9/11, and every poll shows the vast majority of the country support Sheen's viewpoint. Meanwhile, Fox News' ratings continue to sink lower and lower because they refuse to act as anything other than whores for the establishment.

From October 2004, following O'Reilly's phone sex scandal with Andrea Mackris, the ratings for his show almost halved and have never recovered. Fox News' other Neo-Con attack poodle John Gibson, who previously took a pot shot at O'Donnell for suggesting the KSM "confession" was unreliable, a sentiment echoed by all corners of the media besides the Bush administration's TV mouthpiece, also took time out to address Sheen on his "Big Story" show. Gibson parroted O'Reilly in claiming that even the discussion of 9/11 in this context is hurtful to the victims. As a rule, whenever someone does not have the facts on their side and cannot counter the evidence, they are forced to resort to emotional rhetoric in an attempt to throw a blanket over the debate.

Has there ever been a TV or newspaper hit piece on the 9/11 truth movement that doesn't heavily lean on ad hominem insults along with bias and misleading emotional rhetoric? You will never see it. News Hounds summarizes, "FOX doesn't address this issue often - they don't want to make any more people aware of the controversy - but when they do, it is ridiculed and called "garbage." It's as if they only bring it up when it's in the news elsewhere so they have to, but they immediately shoot it right back down." The smattering of hit pieces that have emerged since O'Donnell's public stance and the new angle on the Sheen story have been notable only for their 3rd grade level research and kindergarten name calling.

Richard Johnson of the New York Post couldn't even get Michael Rivero's name correct, calling him Matt, despite Rivero's name being at the very top of his website, proving Johnson didn't even check the website he was trouncing. Both CBS News and the Hollywood Reporter falsely reported that Rosie O'Donnell was involved in the production of the upcoming Loose Change movie. This is completely incorrect. O'Donnell merely used her blog to ask some questions about 9/11 and Building 7, she has never been involved in the project at any step of the way. Will CBS and the Hollywood Reporter issue retractions to clean up their atrocious journalism? Who is writing their articles, the office boy? If you can't even get basic facts right like people's names and which person is connected to a particular project, it betrays the fact that these self-proclaimed reporters aren't interested in the truth, only in conducting slapdash ad hominem attacks.

Underlining how both the fake right-wing and left-wing media are both panicking that their monopoly is being challenged by truth seekers sick and tired of partisan slant, the liberal blog Wonkette also attacked Sheen yesterday. Wonkette goes further than O'Reilly in claiming that, "Sheen will also be getting a fat check from the CIA for further distracting everyone from the non-hidden non-conspiratorial fact that everyone who was in a position to have prevented 9/11 is a drooling incompetent, and for discrediting anything anyone famous ever says about politics for the next six months." If everyone who could have prevented 9/11 was a drooling incompetent then why were none of them fired and why did some receive pay hikes?
Wonkette is just another example of the sniveling "progressive" blogosphere that spends half of its time debating things like Mitt Romney's haircut while uniformly failing to hold their precious Democrat shills like Pelosi to account on impeachment and getting out of Iraq. It's a wonder that they seem surprised by the fact that people are looking elsewhere for truth when they are lauded as the so-called "alternative," when in fact they're nothing more than a gaggle of self-important peons who think they're part of the establishment.

by Larry Simons

I'm not really attempting to add to Paul Joseph Watson's story here, (because Paul's article is EXCELLENT!) I am simply just saying a few extra things. This hit piece on 9/11 truth is a CLASSIC example of how the media and the rest of the "official account" sheeple treats the opposition. Not with fair, balanced, intellectual debate, but with character assassination, lies, distortions and like Paul said, emotional rhetoric...using the pain of the 9/11 families as a weapon to make the public at large hostile at and condemn 9/11 truth. You rarely see a debate where both sides sit down and actually discuss this rationally. The reason for that being that if both sides went head to head on the hardcore 9/11 issues and laid it all out on the table, most people would walk away either taking our position on most facts or at the very least agree with us that there are still many unanswered questions about 9/11 that were purposely ignored during the 9/11 investigations.

The problem is, people in general are busy with their lives, busy with kids, functions, meetings at work, going out to party on the weekends that they really have no time to look into these issues themselves (of the ones who at least care). So, when that rare moment comes when they sit down and switch on the TV to catch a glimpse of news and see these bullshit hit pieces, they just instantly accept it as fact. They hear Bill O' Reilly calling us "nuts" that "hate" our country and they have no reason not to believe that what O' Reilly is saying is absolutely the truth.

I have to put up with the exact same bullshit on my very own site with people posting messages for the sole purpose of just bullying, like O' Reilly does, because they know that when they actually discuss the issues of 9/11, they lose. So, they do what O' Reilly does, name call, call us America haters, "fringe" elements (lol), and make emotional statements like "they hurt the families of 9/11" in an attempt to outrage the audience against us, regardless of what the facts are. Making emotional statements like that frees people like O' Reilly from having to mention specific facts, because they know when specific facts are mentioned, their lies are exposed. This is the very reason that when O' Reilly talks about this topic (which is very rare) he hardly ever has anyone on the show from the truth movement to provide a counter argument. I wish people would wake the hell up and start to realize when all you can do is attack someone's character, lie, name call, label people as un-American, Nazi or a holocaust denier, then you have nothing...ZILCH in which to shoot down their specific claims. I agree with Paul Joseph Watson when he said this very technique gives our argument credence, because it shows that if all the opposition can do is resort to childish and unintelligent behavior....we win simply by default, not to mention the hundreds and hundreds of facts that we have on our side.


eugene said...

Mark Cuban, the Billionare owner of the Dallas Mavericks, is financing the cinema release of Loose Change which will be narrated by Charlie Sheen, exposed Bill O'Reilly's rampant hypocrisy. It seems that Bully O'Reilly hasn't even bothered to watch "Loose Change."

jas said...

Ladies and gentlemen, if you come to this site know that the site's creator will not stand for debate on his fantasyland 9/11 issues and will delete posts that differ from his views (note the dozens of "deleted by site administrator" comments stemming back to 2006 in which others have called Larry on his bullshit). He calls himself a patriot and blames Fox news for showing only one side of the argument. Who's the real hypocrite Larry? The only reason he’s opened posts again is because I contacted some of the “truther” websites he linked on his page and informed them of how he hurts their cause, ridiculous as it is.

I'll be shocked if this post lasts more than an hour.

The following are quotes made by this site’s creator when someone disputes his lies regarding 9/11. Keep in mind I have been a staunch critic of nearly everything this current Bush administration has done. I am an avid liberal, secular progressive who does not believe in any religion whatsoever and hasn't voted Republican in my life. I also believe Bush should be impeached for the Iraq war deception among other things. My friends would tell you if anyone would like for the 9/11 conspiracy to be true it would be someone like me but I’m way too intelligent to believe in anything that can’t be proven.

As quoted from this site's creator Larry Simons when refuting 9/11 claims:

"You're a total SHITHEAD, and if I was you, Id kill myself."

"You’re a fucking CHICKEN"


"You don’t know SHIT!"

Here’s only one of my responses:
For the record I believe my own eyes and reason along with most of the 9/11 Commission Report on 9/11, the Popular Mechanics report on debunking 9/11 myths, staunch anti-government leftist and MIT Professor and father of modern linguistics Noam Chomsky's scholarly articles along with reporting from Keith Olbermann, Arianna Huffington, Bill Maher, Brian Williams, Dan Rather, the videotape of bin Laden explaining how he helped mastermind the 9/11 attacks, the thousands of eyewitness accounts on the matter and the hundreds of reputable scholarly publications and FACTUAL websites that report the truth about 9/11.

There's no use arguing with you crackpots. I've seen the conspiracy crap all over the internet. These "theorists" have a so-called answer for everything when in fact all they have are questions.

I saw the planes hit the towers. I saw the towers eventually fall starting where each plane hit those towers yet there's websites telling me no planes hit the buildings... it was all done with blue screens just like in Terminator 2, or it was done via controlled demolition from a black-ops team from our own government. I'm not stupid enough to believe that and I'm joined by your heroes, Olbermann, Huffington and Carlin.

If you wanted to I'm sure you could give me 100 websites that tell me Bigfoot felled those towers. My granddaddy used to tell me... "Son, there's no use arguing with a fool."


And I’m sorry Larry but you continue to show your lack of intelligence with eloquent quotes like these...
"We’re in BIG trouble if this guy is our next President. He truly is a piece of shit." - Larry Simons

"Of course, as a reflection of how stupid America is, I get the occasional idiotic comment like, "Look what Ray Nagin did in New Orleans!" - Larry Simons on how stupid America is. You must really love your country Larry. You call the American people "stupid cowards" and then make baseless claims our own government (corrupt as it may be) is directly responsible for killing 3000+ of their own on 9/11.
Another Larry quote: "I’m tired of talking to stupid, ignorant, mind-controlled, unpatriotic American citizens like you."

Larry I've read more books from respected scholars and ex-government officials criticizing American foreign policy than you ever will. I've also taken several Master's level courses on related subjects which is more than you can say with your high school education and your complete and total reliance on unreliable and discreditable websites for your ridiculous 9/11 theories posted by crackpots with no education like yourself.

You hate America and its people, fine, but don't accuse me of being a "stupid, ignorant mind-controlled American" when you yourself exhibit more ignorance, stupidity and hate for your fellow countrymen in nearly every post you display.

If anyone is being "mind-controlled" it is you from all those other "truthers" out there."
You're speculating about things you don't know and making baseless accusations as usual scooter. You and all the other "truthers." Everything with you clods is a case of one plus one equals three. It's a piling up of improbabilities.

Speculation isn't a fact scooter and questions aren’t either.

The burden of proof isn't on me. It’s on you. If you truly had facts the entire world would know. Its similar to science vs. religion debate... the burden of proof is not on non-believers. Fact is the National Academy of Scientists believes your 9/11 theories about as much as they believe the Bible or Koran is the word of God, and reasonable men know this.

If there was a "mountain" of evidence surely you should hire a lawyer and sue all the people who are involved in this massive conspiracy of yours... Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the entire BBC, ABC, NBC, FOX, owner of building 7, the editors of Popular Mechanics, the CIA, FBI, NSA. Wow that's a lot of people to keep quiet on such a major conspiracy and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, think of the countless others involved we don't even know about!

If you had any proof, people like your heroes Olbermann and Huffington would be reporting it or are they complicit too? Can I put them on the list of co-conspirators?

So you and your high school education are more intelligent than Noam Chomsky eh? I've read practically everything he's ever written and he'd be reporting the "facts" if there were any and he doesn't resort to telling people who disagree with him to kill themselves or write moronic sentences like "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see."

The answer is no, your heroes will not report your baseless claims because they would lose all credibility. They don't report your false claims just like they don't report when someone claims the Loch Ness Monster is real even though I can give you 1,000 websites that give the same type of "proof" you're spewing. Can you prove the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist Larry? I didn't think so.

So go ahead Larry ask me a specific question if you can pose an intelligent one without resorting to insults and homophobic slurs. I'm waiting. Oh and when you do so could you also prove to me that Bigfoot and the Loch Ness monster don't exist because I have proof that clearly shows otherwise.

I've identified myself repeatedly as a proud liberal who despises what the Bush administration has done over the last 6 years. I also have expressed myself as an unabashed O'Reilly, Coulter, and Fox News critic. That said you could probably assume I don't think being gay is a disease and firmly believe gays should be able to marry, adopt or have their own children and openly serve in the military. They should have every right as the rest of us. And to insinuate that I am gay in such a judgmental way screams of homophobia or plain hatred for homosexuals. Why would you attempt to make such an insult and laugh about it unless you felt otherwise?

You are quoted as saying, "Live and let be gay, I always say...(not really)" What Larry? Are you one of those intolerant hypocritical types like O'Reilly and Coulter who believes God cares what people do while naked? And the line, "It's another to swallow jizz for a living for all the world to see." won't be winning you any Pulitzers let me tell you.


Don't stoop to Larry's level (he is "real truth") and tell your debate opponent to commit suicide. Larry's just showing his true colors. If he took all the garbage about 9/11 off this site it would actually be worth visiting but my guess is he's invested too much money in 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts to turn back now. Plus he's a lot like George Bush and Bill O'Reilly in that he will never ever admit he is wrong despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

I'm sure you're narcissistic enough to think you're just like King, Murrow, Paine and Lincoln but every one of them would roll over in their graves regarding the crap you're spewing about 9/11. And its one thing to be embarrassed by your government and to question your government. It’s entirely something else with what you're doing with baseless accusations re: 9/11. You come across as hating this country whether you like it or not.

I'll say it again, you've yet to give any proof whatsoever and this is coming from someone who despises what those in charge have done to our country over the last 6 years.

This site has no credibility because of your foolish 9/11 conspiracy bunk. If you took all the 9/11 crap down and focused on the Iraq war, Katrina/FEMA, record deficits, tax cuts for the rich, Scooter Libby, 40 million without healthcare, Abu Gharib, warentless wiretaps, Abramoff, Cunningham, Delay, Foley, Ney, Enron/Halliburton, gas prices, No Child Left Behind, Fox News and the startling hypocrisy of a so-called "Christian" president people might actually take you seriously. But until you throw away all your 9/11 "truthers" t-shirts saying how the BBC, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the owner of building 7, popular mechanics ect ect ect were all involved in this massive conspiracy you have absolutely no credibility.

You have no proof Larry. None. Just cutting and pasting crap from websites no one in their right mind would believe.

Without me you'd have no one to insult but if you are going to go all Bill O'Reilly on me and delete my posts because they hit too close to home go ahead, I'd expect nothing less from you.

Fire away Bill O Jr. We can't have anyone disagreeing with you're posts now can we? And you say you strive for truth. My arse.

And by the way you've done more name calling and insulting than I have by miles and miles. You're just as bad as the hypocrites you try to bring down.

Dude seriously, I saw your picture... you're young and that gives you somewhat of a pass but that still doesn't mean you're not in need of some serious medication. I'm one of the folks that think Bush and the lot should be tried for war crimes for the Iraq fiasco but every bit of "evidence" you provide on 9/11 is looney toons. The people you quote and provide stories from are nutbags and have absolutely no credibility. I bet you've never even heard of Chomsky who would never let something like this B.S. conspiracy go unstudied.

Yes, let us all bow to Larry Simons who sits at home at night in his mommy's basement cutting and pasting junk he finds on the internet and thinks he's smarter than the thousands of scientists, scholars, journalists and eyeball witnesses who know more about 9/11 than he could ever hope. Thanks for providing the truth for us “uneducated cowards and complacent morons” Larry. And to think how comfortable we all were not questioning authority until you came along and opened our eyes to how government is corrupt. God Bless you Larry Simons and God Bless America!

Go ahead Larry and now pull a Bill O'Reilly and tell me how I made your argument stronger. No spin from you eh? Your argument transcends anything any of us morons could imagine right?

You keep making my argument for me Larry. All you can do is insult others and not debate the facts like an adult. Don't you realize that alone makes me right?

Larry you do more to damage your cause than you'll ever know. Its people like you who make it easier for the "right wing" to garnish support for their pathetic causes.

HERE’S SOME EXAMPLES OF PREVIOUS POSTS BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE COME TO THIS SITE AND DISAGREED WITH LARRY SIMONS (Check out the posts from 2006 and note the hypocrisy from this site’s creator and his lack of debate skills as he can only respond with threats, insults and deleting others posts when they completely refute his baseless 9/11 claims):

“Unlike you, I do not hate you Larry. I really feel sorry for you. You go through life, angry, full of hate, rage, screaming for attention, trying to get people to believe your crackpot conspiracy theories.”

”I do pity you. I cannot think what your life is like as you wake up every morning thinking what a terrible country you live in, never seeing anything good in life, and as you sit in front of your computer and spewing your hate toward anyone who disagrees with you.”

”The last thing you want to have the light of truth shown on you.”

”At the same time I find you somewhat funny. To read your posts as you meltdown and launch into a profanity filled posts is good for a good chuckle.”
“One cannot reason with someone engulfed in hate as you are.”

”Not one major newspaper, or TV news show will give you the time of day. Or are they part of the grand conspiracy as well??? (Twilight Zone music is now playing in Larry's head)”

“I may be at fault for feeding your rage. Like a spoiled child who craves attention, when I pay attention to you, you smile and start pounding the keyboard once again. I see I am the only one posting on your piece of shit website, so I am at fault. I hope your shrink does not hold it against me.”

“All I can say is I've answered your questions, and you've answered none of mine, looks like to me your doing the ignoring, but why let facts get in the way?
You've never addressed anything I’ve asked, why?
No one threatens as a bluff, they use it when they have no other choice, you know, like when you have no answers.”

“You couldn't beat me with facts, so you used threats, your only weapon. I beat you with facts you couldn't dispute, cause if you could have you would have answered my questions, so you used threats, not to beat me, but to quiet me, your pathetic, you complain about not debating, then you don't debate, you run and hide, delete posts, and threaten.”

”The only responses we get from you is cursing, name calling, and threats, that’s your answers to everything? That’s the answer you give when questioned by someone? Looks like you don't have much "truth" in your arsenal, but you do have a ton of crap.”

”This is my last post to you, since there's no point because you refuse to answer anything I ask, but we both know who won, the one who answered questions won, which would be me. The one who refused to answer anything lost, which would be you. c/ya!”

“You do the exact same you bitch about; once again you accuse others of what you do. You never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.”

“Is that what the truthers do when they have no point, name call? Cause that’s all you do when you have no answer, you ignore, and name call, does your eyes burn when you read the truth? Be careful you'll go blind reading the truth, your more of a nazi than anyone, you spew more propaganda than Hitler ever did.”
Anyone see a recurring theme here?

My final comment:

Larry I do so pity you as well as those who you say agree with you. Funny how few of your fellow “truthers” out there actually come to your site or to your defense. Sad, but not only do you not have any “truther” friends but you obviously have no real friends as well. I’m certain you live alone or in your mother’s basement and have no education or steady employment and you’re 38 years old. I’m willing to bet you’ve never had a girlfriend in your entire life. I’ve come to realize that you likely have borderline personality disorder with schizoaffective tendencies evidenced by delusions of grandeur and persecution (look it up). You are as big a hypocrite as any of the right-wingers you so despise and you are so filled with hate that you are likely going to snap one day and go to the nearest water tower with a gun and start offing innocent civilians.
You disrespect all those who perished, were injured, or lost a loved one on 9/11 and you make honest secular liberals like myself look foolish. So good job Larry you true patriot and fighter of truth, justice and the American way.

Have fun wasting and living out your life vicariously through your pathetic excuse for a blog. I’m going to go play with my beautiful wife and son who although only a toddler already knows more than you ever will.



eugene said...

Jas, you give yourself way too much credit for intelligence. You may not be an idiot, but your quotes rely on sources such as the Popular Mechanics article and the 9/11 Commission. The Commission had a job to do and they did it. Their job was to provide a cover for the criminals, a white wash job. Bush and Cheney weren't going to allow an investigation until they were assured of the results. The 9/11 Commission did just that. If obstacles got in the way, such as the collapse of Building 7, they just ignored them, no mention, they merely pretended that these thing just did not exist. Ha! Ha! Aren't you the gullible one?

And Popular Mechanics, they did address building 7, they claimed that it was "pulled" meaning as with cables. Well, how stupid was that? And then one of the editors goes on the radio to defend his article and the radio DJ asks him how were they able to identify the hijackers using DNA? Where did the pre death DNA comparison samples come from. The PM guy fell apart and became a stuttering idiot. No sir Jas. You may not be an idiot, but you sure as hell aren't very bright either.

Why do you waste so much time writing a full length article in order to harass Larry? Are you some kind of sick stalker?

There will come a day when they truth about 9/11 breaks free and is excepted through out the world. The proof is plain to see, all one has to do is be open enough to look. I hope that Larry is saving your responses in a file. If I were him, I would write a book someday and use you as an example of the ignorant assholes that we had to deal with as we struggled to expose the equivalent of Adolph Hitler’s Third Reich having stolen the US government and attacked the US.

You are a childish moron. I expect you to now write a long ( please do not short change me) drawn out response. In it call me names. If you do not curse, I might feel cheated. Come on and give us some of that silly crap that I refer to as just " All that Jas!"