Sunday, November 19, 2006

Mancow: In lock-step with those who cannot and will not debate FACTS

Radio host resorts to ridicule, sarcasm, jokes and reinstating disbelief as intellectual debate, instead of facts

by Larry Simons
November 19, 2006

I can't say I'm shocked. I've seen it with my own eyes. You try an intellectual debate with someone about the events of 9/11, and the only tactic the supporters of the official government story can muster is ridicule and sarcasm, rather than to actually engage in talking about the specific facts and points you discuss. This tactic is called the "I don't know anything specific about anything being discussed, so I will attempt to make you look nutty" tactic.
This is the very tactic that Chicago-based radio talk show host Erich "Mancow" Muller used with Infowars.com spokesman Kevin Smith. Muller begins the interview with Smith and retired NYC firefighter Brian Harvey by telling Harvey, "conspiracy is big business", then says, "what do you think of this guy (Smith) making money off this tragedy?"

Thankfully, Harvey showed Mancow what being a respectful human being is like. Harvey, although disagreeing with Smith, showed Smith tremendous respect. Harvey showed the model behavior of what debating should actually be....disagreement without disrespect. Of course, I learned that when FOX taped the show, there were many times FOX producers yelled "cut", and they ended up editing out very vital pieces in order to include some of Mancow's insults and lies.

One such lie is Mancow saying it's "big business" for truth-ers, as if we are in the same boat as Halliburton profiting from a war started by a lie, Ann Coulter exploiting 9/11 widows to sell books or O.J. Simpson profiting off of his murders by selling books and having a televised program coming up later this month (on their own network).

The many yelled "cuts" by FOX during the taping is why Smith sarcastically blurted out the word "cut" right after he had jumbled his words giving a response to a question. FOX cut out the part of the show where Smith says that you can watch Alex Jones' "Terrorstorm" for FREE on Google video. Also, Mancow just doesn't know enough to know that many people in the truth-movement (me included) make DVD's for FREE for people. I've already given away hundreds of copies of 9/11 DVD's and have not made one dime.
So, Mancow, like MANY people who try to shut 9/11 revisionists up, he simply just has no clue what he's talking about. Another edit from the final cut was Smith being asked who he would blame for 9/11, and Smith mentioned Cheney by name and mentioned Norman Mineta's testimony during the 9/11 Commission hearings when Mineta testified that Cheney gave a stand-down order as the plane approached the Pentagon. Of course, we all know Cheney's words were "Of course the orders still stand (to shoot down Flight 77), have you heard anything different?" Well, since the plane was NOT shot down and it crashed into the Pentagon, the order by Cheney had to be to NOT shoot it down.

(Click below for Mineta's testimony)
Throughout this hit-piece, aimed at discrediting 9/11 truth-ers, Mancow resorts to insults, sarcasm and the cliche straw man attacks to diminish the perception of the truth of 9/11, including naming the segment 'The Grassy Knoll,' asking Smith about Bigfoot, the Lochness monster, space aliens and even launching into an unprompted special interlude titled "Lies on the Internet." This is typical of idiots that can't debate facts. They resort to the only thing they have in their arsenal.....sarcasm and insults to make us appear nutty.

Another tactic used by Mancow was to have an actual firefighter from 9/11 engage in the debate as if to say "you can't believe this was an inside job, because look...look, here's an actual firefighter who was THERE", as if having someone on the show who was at Ground Zero in and of itself disproves government involvement. It was obviously done by FOX to have viewers have a visual of a guy (demonized as a "nut") disagreeing with a firefighter in order to fuel additional anger toward the "nut". On the other hand, when 9/11 truth-ers mention people who were THERE as well like Willie Rodriquez (a janitor who worked in the WTC for 20 years) who heard and saw explosions of bombs going off and seeing people with skin hanging off their bodies from these explosions....oh well, that's not important is it? "Who is this Rodriquez guy?" they will say, and then they will hurl insults at him. He was there TOO, and he was even there BEFORE the police and firefighters were. But his testimony means nothing to the "19 hijacker/Bin Laden" crowd.
Not once in the entire interview did Mancow refute or even attempt to refute one of Smith's claims. At least Harvey asked questions like "Why isn't this out in the media?" It was an easily refutable question, but at least Harvey had the respect to ASK. Mancow simply relied on sarcasm and "Grassy Knoll" comments in order to make the sheep FOX viewers chuckle.

At one point, Mancow even asked "Is Hillary involved?" This isn't even a real question. It's a bullshit question in an attempt to divert attention away from FACTS. There's a simple rule for idiots that can't debate. When you don't know anything: make jokes, be sarcastic and use nutty buzz-words like Grassy Knoll and Bigfoot.
Smith brought up the fact that several of the alleged hijackers lived at the Pensacola, Florida Naval Air Station, according to addresses listed on their licenses and the fact that Mohammad Atta and others were trained at a base in Monterrey, California, as well as
the fact that Osama bin Laden was a known CIA asset. Did Mancow address this? Of course not. All he did was make a James Woods remark and went on his bigfoot rant. Then later, Mancow looks at Smith and says "Do you feel anything for this guy?"(Harvey), as if to say "believing that others were involved in 9/11 outside of what we've been told automatically means you hate everyone involved in 9/11...firefighters, police, rescuers, people inside the Pentagon and the twin towers", and the list goes on. If anything, we as 9/11 truth-ers care MORE about these people because we are fighting for the truth of how these people died and why. The ones who believe the official story want NO other information other than: "19 hijackers and Osama bin Laden". Everything else to them is bullshit.
Another small piece of information that I'm sure Mancow is clueless on is the FACT that most of the police and firefighers themselves believe 9/11 was an inside job. I was at Ground Zero on the fifth anniversary of 9/11. I saw firefighters pose in pictures with 9/11 truth-ers and policemen shook our hands.

Bill Doyle, the head of the largest victims' families group believes 9/11 was an inside job. People like Mancow that present this false theory that 'if you believe in a cover-up, then you disrespect cops, firefighters, family members, etc...' are sad excuses for human beings attempting to bring more sheep to their camp. They know they don't win the war on facts, so they have no choice but resort to everything BUT facts to gain support for THEIR conspiracy theory.

Smith clearly won the debate, because Mancow did NOT debate...he attacked and ridiculed...the only thing he COULD do. Mancow is an entertainer, not a journalist. FOX News is not a news company, they are entertainers as well. Mancow didn't have enough respect for Brian Harvey to at least say what Smith was saying was worthy to at least research.
We have nothing but respect for firefighters like Brian Harvey, and I think Smith did a great job showing respect to Harvey as well as Mancow, even though it was very clear to Smith what Mancow was doing. It didn't work, at least with people who think on their own, who are not hooked up to the FOX News life-support system.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

you do the exact same you bitch about, once again you accuse others of what you do.
you never answered any on my questions, you dodged, and weaved, and your answers were cursing, and name calling, lol.
this article is a total lie, anyone who watched the show woill know this, mancow made kevin look like a buffoon, the only people your going to convince are ones who didn't watch it.
when you have to resort to lies, and make things up to prove your point, you've already lost.
thats exactly what you did to me.


things in your article that you did to me, but accuse others of doing it- FROM YOUR OWN WORDS, SHOWS HOW MUCH OF A HYPOCRITE YOU ARE.

THIS 1 YOU DID OVER, AND OVER TO ME.
"can muster is ridicule and sarcasm, rather than to actually engage in talking about the specific facts and points you discuss. This tactic is called the "I don't know anything specific about anything being discussed, so I will attempt to make you look nutty" tactic."

"When you don't know anything, make jokes, be sarcastic"
"resorts to insults, sarcasm and the cliche straw man attacks"
"This is typical of idiots that can't debate facts. They resort to the only thing they have in their arsenal.....sarcasm and insults to make us appear nutty."
"attacked and ridiculed..."

why did you do these things to me then when i asked you questions?

mancow kicked that idiot liars ass, he had him mumbling, and at 1 point he asked the cameraman to cut doing 1 of his stuttering moments, very clear that this guy was spewing forth garbage.
like you, he diverted answering anything, by attacking and throwing back questions, instead of answers, just like you did.

WHAT HE DOESN'T TELL YOU ALL, IS THAT ALEX JONES HIMSELF WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, NOT KEVIN, BUT GUESS WHAT?.... ALEXANDRA BACKED OUT OF IT, I WONDER WHY?....


everything in his article, is written by another blogger by the way, i know where he got his information, like he thinks i wouldn't know, lol. the only thing in this article that is coming from the writer, are his own feelings about it, all the information came from a story of another blogger, all larry did was insert his own comments thoughtout the story. he has nothing new to say, he just cuts, and pastes from others works, whats the point in that?
JUST WATCH THE SHOW, AND SEE KEVIN GET EATEN ALIVE, NOTICE, NOT 1 QUESTION ANSWERED FROM HIM, EXCEPT HE DID RESPOND TH THE FIREMANS QUESTION, ON WHY ITS NOT IN THE MEDIA, AND LARRY MENTIONED IT IN THE ARTICLE, BUT YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT HIS RESPONSE WAS?, I SEE LARRY LEFT THAT OUT.
HIS RESPONSE WAS- EVERYONE IS INVOLVED, EVEN THE DEMS, AND HILLARY, LOL. HE ACTUALLY SAID IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN WHAT WE DO, THEN YOUR INVOLVED IN IT, LOL. HOW CRAZY IS THAT?
HE SAID BOTH SIDES OF THE GOVT ARE IN ON IT, THEY WORK AS A TEAM, LOL. CAN YOU BELIEVE THIS WING NUT?, LOL. NO WONDER ALEXANDRA JONES WAS SCARED TO GO ON, SO HE SENT HIS SECOND IN COMMAND TO GO, AND HE WAS EATEN ALIVE.

Anonymous said...

you complain about things that the democrats, and you do, you complain about the retired firefighter being there as a shill, so you look nutty if you disagree with him. hmmm, the dems did the same thing with the jersey girls, cindy sheehan, and michael j. fox, so once again, you accuse others of things you, and the dems do lol.
you really think people don't see though that? your like the cheating husband, who tries to hide the fact he's cheating, by blaming his wife of cheating, thats exactly what you do.
you cuss, insult, avoid answering questions, use sarcasm (like alex jones did calling fox news the CIA FOX NEWS), then you accuse your counterparts of the very thing you do, in an attempt to hide that you do it.
thats why your group hates t.v., and why alex jones canceled his appearance on mancow's show, cause on t.v., your put on the spot, no where to run, on your blogs, you can just ignore questions, and delete them, like you do.
its very apparent how cowardly your group is, and the fact when faced with questions, you have no answers. just your spew, and mis-information.

Real Truth Online said...

Alex Jones had family reasons he couldnt be there. Alex Jones isnt afraid to go on any show asshole. He publicly bullhorns places you wouldn't sit and have a quiet lunch asshole. By the way retard, Im not a democrat, Im an Independant. So, any insults you have toward the Democrats either can't be directed at me personally because Im NOT one, or I would probably agree with you, depending on what the specific issue was. Craw back into your hole in the wall apartment which you illegally house 3 people. Maybe section 8 will wanna know about that. I bet section 8 was started by the Dems too.

Anonymous said...

what is section 8? apt, lol, i own my own house, bet you can't say that, lol.
its called an excuse, he ran, and sent his mook in, lol. he got torn up.

Anonymous said...

once again i've just noticed, your doing exactly what you say you'll delete if someone does it to you, and that is to post personal information about someone. you've obviously done it to at least 2 people that i can see, could be more, depending on what information goes together, but just goes to show you, how much you'd lie, (and not even follow your own guidelines), and ridicule people in an effort to shut them up. not only that, but i'm not even the person/persons who you gave out personal information about. so not only doesn't it effect me, but your bashing people who are not even on here.
man thats not cool, i haven't nor has anyone else posted personal information about you, and if they did, you'd delete it, but its ok for you to do it? but your not a hypocrite i guess, right?
thats shameful, and you know its not right, but i will tell you 1 thing, you ever find out who i really am, (someday i might even tell you), and you post personal information about me on here, you'll find yourself with a lawsuit on your hands, i'll guarantee you that. i'm anonymous for a reason, and that i don't have to give a reason for.

Real Truth Online said...

saying you're on section 8 hardly constitutes "personal information". "Personal" info qualifies as information that can only be SPECIFICALLY applied to the person in question. Example: giving a phone number, an address, a first and last name, a persons spouse, siblings or family members by name. Saying someone is on section 8 is no different from saying they're on welfare, or you have no health insurance. It's "general" information, not "personal". If you didn't already know my name was Larry Simons and I told you I received welfare checks, would you know my name or who I was by saying I was on welfare? Come on dude, you're supposed to be a Bill O'Liar fanatic and here you are "spiining". You wouldn't know who that person is "specifically" by saying that. Saying someone plays dice baseball and eats 400 Sheetz hotdogs a week, again, HARDLY constitutes "personal" information. You had no problem with me calling O.J. a killer. So let's recap: Calling O.J. a killer---perfectly OK, saying you play dice baseball or you're on section 8----very very bad. You're a worthless piece of shit, you know that? If none of what I said applied to you, why would you be mad about it? Seems I struck a nerve? You pathetic shithead. And by the way, let's get something straight. There's a difference between name-calling and ridiculing when I do it and when others who ridicule us for believing in the 9/11 cover-up. See, when I do it, it's usually AFTER that person has already established they are the very names I call them. Example: if you say something that is just plain stupid----I'm gonna call you an idiot, asshole, dumbass, etc... When people who "debate" us about 9/11 name-calls or ridicules, it's usually done just during the course of just simply talking about this issue. I received a death threat for believing in the cover-up. Nothing prompted that. I hadn't said I'd kill them first. I didn't threaten them. I didnt say anything about their family---nothing. Nothing that would prompt threats. All I did was simply state my views about 9/11 and here come the threats. When I name call, it's done because that person has EARNED the very labels I give them. In other words, AFTER they've established they're an asshole, or a dumbass, or an idiot or.....YOU. I'm sure you wont see the difference or you'll call it a "tomAto/tomato" thing, because you love instigating, ridiculing, mocking just to get a REACTION. I know your kind. You dont even mean some of the things you say----you say it just to stir the shit storm and to see if the person gets pissed. I know your kind all too well. One of my brothers is the very kind of person who has no life and has no talents to separate himself from the others in my family, so his only recourse is to be as belligerant and obnoxious as he possibly can to draw ANY attention to himself, even if it's NEGATIVE. I know your kind all too well. Kevin Smith won that debate because Mancow resorted ONLY to insults and sarcasm, and Kevin Smith did not ONCE disrespect neither Mancow or Harvey. Harvey showed the model behavior of what debating should be. You dont have to agree with us, but discuss and debate like a civil human being. I name call and insult you when you've EARNED with your child-like and provoking attitude. Address what Ive said in this post. I will NOT reply to you if I see your same old, repetitive, instigative rants that are ONLY done to provoke.

Real Truth Online said...

spiining was a typo---obviously, see---> spinning, I know how to spell it-------sorry I ruined another chance for you to instigate/provoke

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Real Truth Online said...

youre a fucking IDIOT! see? you EARNED that! I gave GENERAL information, not PERSONAL information. If someone else got on these posts and saw my messages and saw me say that you're on Section 8--------are you saying they're going to know who you SPECIFICALLY ARE by that info? But if I gave your #, your address, your last name, etc-----that's pretty SPECIFIC INFO! They will either know or they'd have the access to KNOW how to find you with those things. They won't be able to find you, contact you or PERSONALLY humiliate you just with GENERAL INFO like "you're on Section 8". YOURE AN IDIOT! Oh, by the way, IDIOT is GENERAL INFO too, because that's what you are, an IDIOT! Do people know your identity now? RETARD! But i tell you what I will do. I will call social services and section 8 and report the 3 people living there---then let's see if I got the right person! Shall I proceed with the call or should I NOT call? Do I have permission to call? I'll be waiting for your answer. NO ANSWER, or a deflection of my question will be considered giving permission for me to call. In other words, if I dont see you say "NO" in the very next post, I'm making the call. Choice is yours assface.

Real Truth Online said...

Oh by the way, dipshit-----I noticed something a few posts ago. If you didnt know what Section 8 is---how did you know it has to do with housing? Heres you EXACT words: "what is section 8? apt, lol, i own my own house". Why would you even MENTION "owning a house" after using the words "section 8"? if you didnt know what it was???????? Hmmmm? Can we say "BURNED?" and "CAUGHT RED-HANDED?" Kinda like when Rumsfeld slipped and mentioned the plane being "SHOT down in PA" on 9/11.---and when he said "the MISSILE that hit this building(Pentagon)"------Ive heard the audio tapes, he said both comments.

Anonymous said...

BECAUSE YOU STUPID MORON, YOU SAID CRAWL BACK INTO YOUR HOLE IN THE WALL APT, THATS WHY I SAID APT, FOOL.
TO SAVE THE PERSON YOUR TALKING ABOUT I'LL JUST SAY THIS , DON'T CALL.
SO YOU THREATEN PEOPLE WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU, I'M SURE THEY CAN DO THE SAME THING, IF NOT WORSE.

Real Truth Online said...

i was never going to call---only said it to prove who you are, and I succeeded, with flying colors---hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha. Can you say "bluff"? You had no guts to say who you were before and even had no guts to even pick a screen name other than Anonymous, so I had to use whatever tactic possible to get the truth---because we are "The Real Truth", and like I said, I succeeded like pristine clockwork. By the way, havent you always believed O.J. was innocent? And now you agree with O'Liar that O.J. is guilty? Hmmmmm, do I hear the words "flip flop?"

Anonymous said...

DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU PROVED, BUT I ALWAYS THOUGHT OJ WAS GUILTY, YOU PROVED IT IN YOUR OWN MIND, LKIE WHERE YOUR TRUTH IS.

Real Truth Online said...

I proved your last name is the same as mine. I was laughing out loud when you said "Dont call"----that was the final smoking gun I needed added to the half dozen others I had. What's AMAZING is, the reason it has to be who I thought is because you get on here and post a comment like "TO SAVE THE PERSON YOUR TALKING ABOUT I'LL JUST SAY THIS , DON'T CALL" --------to SAVE the person? What person? The person I MAY HAVE made up? You're NOT that person right? So, I could have been making someone up out of thin air, right? I could have been making up the dice baseball, section 8 stuff, right? So, you're SAVING someone who possibly is a figment of my imagination? I DIED LAUGHING when I read "TO SAVE THAT PERSON"----hold on, I gotta laugh again......ok, im back from laughing. What KILLS me is if you are NOT this person since you vehemently DENIED IT----why would you "SAVE" a person that is a total stranger? Why would you "SAVE" a person that could have been completely MADE UP? The TRUTH is----you know its NOT a total stranger...you were saving YOURSELF------be a MAN and ADMIT IT. You call yourself the beacon of truth, yet you HIDE behind the screen name "Anonymous" and you LIE about who you are? And I had to administer a BLUFF to get you to admit it? If you are this great BEACON of truth from the NO SPIN ZONE------------why would I have to BLUFF to get the truth from you? And when I DID get the truth, it wasn't ADMITTED truth----it was still in the form of deception on your part. I had to get the truth by you crumbling into pieces and admitting you didnt want me to call----and you want me to believe that you really arent admitting who you are ----you're just showing sympathy to a stranger or possibly someone who is non-existant. You ridicule REAL LIFE heroes like Willie Rodriquez who saved the lives of 15 people, and you spit on his honor by accusing him of planting the bombs himself, but yet you SHOW SYMPATHY TO A STRANGER OR NON-EXISTANT PERSON!!!! Youre a true disgrace to yourself, America and the human race period. I set the trap and you fell into it like a blind rabbit...and THAT is the REAL truth! SIZZED!

Anonymous said...

LMAO

Anonymous said...

All I have to say about this blog is how can two supposedly intelligent people let a political disagreement get to the point of threats. I say grow up!!! I thought this was supposed to be an open minded forum for people to voice their opinions but it seems neither of you will let that happen. If I disagree with one or the other of you will I get called names? Or will my post be deleted?

Anonymous said...

I have to say I noticed the argument about not posting personal info. Well, I can assume you two are related somehow since you let it slip that you have the same last name. Is this not personal information?